A lesson on not slowplaying monsters pf (lc)

JKDStudent · #1 07-19-2005, 07:12 PM

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, BB 3-bets, MP1 calls, Hero caps, Button calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, Button folds, BB folds, MP1 calls.

River: (14.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 16.25 BB

Results below:
MP1 has Kd Kh (three of a kind, kings).
Hero has 2c Ac (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 16.25 BB.

Open-limping from MP1 with KK. See where it gets you?

aK13 · #2 07-19-2005, 07:17 PM

Thats a pretty bad limp preflop.

So is yours.

AmarilloJim1 · #3 07-19-2005, 07:19 PM

Is his pf limp really that bad..I mean you're probably going to be at least 4 handed on the flop?

JKDStudent · #4 07-19-2005, 07:25 PM

CO, Button, and SB are all loose and passive pf. BB is tight and won't raise from the BB. I'm counting on seeing at least four to this flop, maybe five or six, and probably not putting any more money in pf. I have no problems with the limp, given the circumstances.

AmarilloJim1 · #5 07-19-2005, 07:28 PM

IMO, I limp here too.

benneh · #6 07-19-2005, 07:47 PM

i'd limp this 100% of the time at his table.

i mean, one guy open limped with KK! you dont get much more passive than that.

Eeegah · #7 07-19-2005, 08:01 PM

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i'd limp this 100% of the time at his table.

i mean, one guy open limped with KK! you dont get much more passive than that.

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PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop:
UTG calls, UTGB calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG calls, UTGB raises, MP1 3-bets, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, UTG folds, UTGB calls.

Turn: (11.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTGB bets, MP1 raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, UTGB folds.

River: (16.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has 8h 4h (flush, ten high).
MP1 has Ah As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: SB wins 16.50 BB. 

Not likely an open limp on account of passive play, but vindication nontheless.

Guthrie · #8 07-19-2005, 09:19 PM

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Thats a pretty bad limp preflop.

So is yours.

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You need to PM Ed Miller and tell him to correct his SSHE starting hands.

Greg J · #9 07-19-2005, 09:31 PM

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Thats a pretty bad limp preflop.

So is yours.

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You need to PM Ed Miller and tell him to correct his SSHE starting hands.

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I think you are kind of missing the point. I sometimes I will raise here, though if I have the right read I will limp. OP had such a read (as he went on to point out).

The proper play is totally contextual -- the SSHE preflop charts are useful for newer players but they are only guidelines and do not offer a lot of insight into the nuances of preflop play.

@bsolute_luck · #10 07-19-2005, 10:46 PM

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Thats a pretty bad limp preflop.

So is yours.

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You need to PM Ed Miller and tell him to correct his SSHE starting hands.

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you need to understand what he means before a shot like this.