10/20 J8s flush draw hand

tomahawk · #1 07-14-2005, 07:52 PM

No good limit games going, so I decide to play a little NL. I may have chosen a limit a bit too high for my standards, but what the hell i figure..

Full Table. MP1 ups it to 60, two people call and I call on the button with J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. BB calls too.

5 to the flop of 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Checked to me, I bet 200 into a ~300$ pot. Folded to villain to my right, who checkraises to 800. I started the hand with 2100 and he has me covered. I haven't got much of a read, but no reason at all to think that he is fooling around.

My action?

xorbie · #2 07-14-2005, 07:59 PM

I can't imagine someone calling a PF raise with AA/KK/QQ with a smooth caller already and players left to act, and then on top of that check/raising a draw heavy flop after the PFR has acted.

Come to think of it though, can't imagine why he would check/raise with a set either, I just think it's more likely, all things considered.

thabadguy · #3 07-15-2005, 01:50 AM

I dont think i see a set here, a set wouldnt risk a CR on this flop. I think more than often you see the nut flush draw, against which you're about 60:40 fave, so i wouldnt mind moving in here. I also think that folding isnt too bad given that you just sat here and have no reads.

ChewyMint · #4 07-15-2005, 01:56 AM

I'm definately pushing here. If the villain made the PFR, I would definately get it all on here, and expect to be called by an overpair. There are really no hands you are THAT worried about seeing here after all of the chips are in the middle. If he folds, which I would think happens very rarely, you pick up a good-size pot as it is.

Results?

ChewyMint

SaintAces · #5 07-15-2005, 01:57 AM

all in I think.

xorbie · #6 07-15-2005, 02:04 AM

What exactly are people putting villain on that justifies an all in here?

thabadguy · #7 07-15-2005, 02:14 AM

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What exactly are people putting villain on that justifies an all in here?

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I see a nut flush draw here, its the only hand that makes sense to me.

MTBlue · #8 07-15-2005, 02:15 AM

Bigger flush draw or straight flush draw 54 spades would be the most obvious. Others are oddly played bottom two or overpair.

flawless_victory · #9 07-15-2005, 02:19 AM

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Bigger flush draw or straight flush draw 54 spades would be the most obvious.

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WHY?
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Others are oddly played bottom two or overpair.

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how would this be oddly played???

xorbie · #10 07-15-2005, 02:21 AM

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how would this be oddly played???

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Smooth calling with QQ/KK/AA after PF raise + caller in betwee + loose players left to act with position on you and then going for a flop checkraise with only one player left to act (who isn't the PFR). This is all normal?