How Not to Play Hold'em

toss · #1 07-14-2005, 07:32 AM

Bonus clearin'

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 10 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 4 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG bets, MP3 raises, Hero folds, UTG folds.

Turn: (5 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (5 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: 5 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 2s 3h (two pair, kings and twos).
MP3 has 4d 3s (one pair, kings).
Outcome: MP3 wins 4.50 BB. BB wins 0.50 BB.

parappa · #2 07-14-2005, 08:38 AM

Tough spot. I certainly don't think folding is bad here at all, but would enjoy other opinions.

jrz1972 · #3 07-14-2005, 08:42 AM

3-bet that flop. Can't you see you would have had a full house? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Nfinity · #4 07-14-2005, 09:07 AM

Errrr....

The result orientedness of the barrage of posts you will be getting will be insane.(including this one possibly)

I need reads, really. Otherwise Fold seems good. KJ is too easily dominated.

You have backdoor flush outs, but thats not enough to get by on if your K and J outs are counterfit in some way.

If I knew something about the players it could turn this into a marginal call. If for example I knew that these players usually pop their sets on the Turn; etc. and I could feel all my outs were OK, getting 5-1 I just need 2 more BB to make it profitable.

toss · #5 07-14-2005, 09:31 AM

Ehhh I feel its a pretty easy fold against unknowns. Too many times your hand ain't good. I just thought the results were funny. Afterwards in the chat someone typed, "He won with 4 high?!?"

davelin · #6 07-14-2005, 09:49 AM

This fold is fine.

DeathDonkey · #7 07-14-2005, 10:19 AM

Totally disagree. I 3 bet this every time.

-DeathDonkey

davelin · #8 07-14-2005, 10:21 AM

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Totally disagree. I 3 bet this every time.

-DeathDonkey

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I thought you would [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

toss · #9 07-14-2005, 11:28 AM

Every time? I don't think everytime even at .5/1.

DeathDonkey · #10 07-14-2005, 11:46 AM

Ok, how about: as a default play against all opponents at all levels I would 3 bet this flop, unless presented with strong arguments or reads that would make me rethink this strategy. Against average or typical opponents this flop is a 3 bet, that's what I was trying to say with my "every time".

-DeathDonkey