AKs gets turn checkraised.

dozer · #1 07-11-2005, 05:18 AM

villain is 50/5/1.5 334 hands

villain was running good at this table and was playing his made hands very aggressively.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 4 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero?

fold the river unimproved? call down? or just fold to the turn checkraise?

Super Pro · #2 07-11-2005, 05:33 AM

this is a really tricky spot. i think a fold is usually best here especially since when he checks to you, he is expecting you to bet that ace which makes his checkraise seem even more legit.

Lurkmaster Flex · #3 07-11-2005, 05:34 AM

I call this down and smack myself when they sd the set I had read. Pot is a little too big for me to fold tptk hu.

NDHand · #4 07-11-2005, 05:37 AM

Quite a bad spot to be in... however the pot is fairly big and folding TPTK heads-up isnt something I like to do unless my read is extremly accurate. I'm thinking J9 or T9 of clubs could semi-bluff C/R this turn, seeing as you'd probably let go a PP under aces after this action. Aside from that id say you're looking at a set or a raggedy 2-pairs a lot of the time... if my read on villain is rock, I fold UI. This guy seems pretty loose though, so i'd probably call down.

Jake (The Snake) · #5 07-11-2005, 06:06 AM

Unless UTG bets almost every flop I don't get the flop raise.

silkyslim · #6 07-11-2005, 06:16 AM

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Unless UTG bets almost every flop I don't get the flop raise.

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He faced two player with two-cold and knocked them both out. This cleans up some outs in a large pot IMO.

Jake (The Snake) · #7 07-11-2005, 06:21 AM

The only hands that Hero would like to fold are A5, A9, and A3 (and K counterparts) which are somewhat unlikely given the preflop action. Hero is almost never ahead here if UTG is reasonable. Very little or no fold equity. Unlikely to get free card, chance of 3-bet, etc. I'd just call.

dozer · #8 07-11-2005, 06:33 AM

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Unless UTG bets almost every flop I don't get the flop raise.

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I raise here because the board is ragged and I could have the best hand,also any hand I fold out increases my chances of winning in this raised pot. I see players take shots on low flops like this quite often when a tight player raises preflop putting me on overcards. If villain had a monster hand I would think he would chechraise me instead, so I raise. It is a pretty standard flop raise IMO. In SSHE page 231 there is hand example almost exactly like the hand I posted and it says against a aggressive player this should be a raise.

Jake (The Snake) · #9 07-11-2005, 09:53 PM

A big difference in the SSHE example is that villain can be betting a flush draw. You really need to have a slight chance to be ahead of the bettor in order for a raise to be correct.

I'm not saying it is certainly wrong, it could very well be the right play if villain will bet a wide range of hands (or fold a hand like middle pair on the turn). But if he is the type that only bets made hands, will 3-bet them against a raise, and call down with any pair, you are much better off just calling.

See this post by Nate, it is tremendous.

bobhalford · #10 07-12-2005, 02:11 AM

He may have any ace the way he plays. My guess would be two pair. I call down, because when you have an aggro factor of 1.5 when you are playing 50% of hands, that means you are pretty damn aggressive. I call down. I don't think his turn checkraise means you are beat often enough to fold. A lot of money in the pot, call imo. Also, he may be trying to get tricky checkraising you with the A, having decided to put you on JJ/QQ/KK and planning to scare you away on the river if you call his raise. Also, he may be the type to check-raise the turn with 4 to the flush. Dunno, I just think that anyone that aggro playing half their hands don't have much and have to make up for it with tricky post-flop aggressive play.