My 1st letter to Party Poker regarding PokerEdge

[PuertoKid]

Sent to every PartyPoker email address I could find that seemed applicable. I will be following up on several fronts...

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Dear Party Poker Representative,

I have recently become aware of a product called PokerEdge. It seems that PokerEdge has set up a commercial datamining operation in which they collect statistics on Party Poker players and then they sell the data to others. I went to the PokerEdge website and saw that they have a page that will tell me if they are tracking me. Indeed, when I plugged in my Party Poker user name, the PokerEdge webpage claimed that they are tracking my play!

I am very disturbed that companies are collecting detailed information about how I play poker at Party Poker and selling that information to other players. As a casual player, I view this as clear cheating. Indeed, it appears to me that Party Poker's Terms and Conditions specifically prohibit the use of player profiling software. PokerEdge is obviously profiling players on a massive scale.

To date, I have felt that Party Poker offers a fair, fun environment in which to play online poker. However, the proliferation of player profiling software and services, specifically player profiling on a commercial level such as PokerEdge, are a threat to fair online poker play. Such software and services hurt casual players such as myself as they are set up to help the hard core poker players strip as much money from me as possible in the quickest amount of time. Not only is this bad for me, I think it is bad for the online poker industry in the long term, and very bad for Party Poker as it appears PokerEdge specifically targets Party Poker customers. Casual players like me cannot possibly feel comfortable playing at a site when we know that our every play is being recorded by unscrupulous companies that collect and then sell that data to the person playing in the next seat.

Please do something to stop this cheating! I would like to see Party Poker take action against players they detect using such software, and I would like to see Party Poker take steps to foil the companies that are collecting this data.

I would also like for Party Poker to make clear, unambiguous statements that this type of software is against the rules. There seems to be much confusion about the status of programs like PokerEdge in the online poker community. Please make the effort the clear the issue for all customers.

Party Poker has been the best online poker site at which to play. I hope it remains that way.

Thank you for your attention

XXX[My Name]XXX

[Dusseldorf]

Stupid fish. Hope to see you at my table!

[PuertoKid]

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Stupid fish. Hope to see you at my table!

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You can find me on the 1/2 6 Max tables as I'm clearing the MultiPoker $100 bonus. I'm on a huge rush and am up 200BB in about 1000 hands.

[spkid]

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You can find me on the 1/2 6 Max tables as I'm clearing the MultiPoker $100 bonus. I'm on a huge rush and am up 200BB in about 1000 hands.

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This is only because PE is down. When they get this thing sorted out you'll be back to getting cheated out of your dough.

[shadow29]

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This is only because PE is down. When they get this thing sorted out you'll be back to getting cheated out of your dough.

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I use PE. I don't cheat. I'll play you HU without using it though.

[spkid]

Easy there, I was being sarcastic. I use PE too.

[Schwartzy61]

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This is only because PE is down. When they get this thing sorted out you'll be back to getting cheated out of your dough.

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I use PE. I don't cheat.

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Well there are many who would say using PE is cheating and so it is only in your opinion and those that agree with you that you are not cheating. So you should reword your statement to say I use PE and I don't believe it's cheating. Because you can't say for fact that PE isn't cheating.

I really don't care who does or doesn't use PE, I have my list of "Buddies" and don't need to pay someone a monthly fee to be able to take advantage of all the fish on Party.

I wish the proliferation of HUDs wasn't as great so the tables at party would be proportionately more fishy, but who knows where that will go.

[skoal2k4]

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You can find me on the 1/2 6 Max tables as I'm clearing the MultiPoker $100 bonus. I'm on a huge rush and am up 200BB in about 1000 hands.


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do you have an account on party poker as well? Multiple accounts on party skins... doesn't this also violate terms and conditions....

[Schwartzy61]

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You can find me on the 1/2 6 Max tables as I'm clearing the MultiPoker $100 bonus. I'm on a huge rush and am up 200BB in about 1000 hands.


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do you have an account on party poker as well? Multiple accounts on party skins... doesn't this also violate terms and conditions....

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Well, still ambiguous at best...

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5. True Identity and One Account

The name on your Account must match your true and legal name and identity and the name on your PartyPoker.com Account registration must match the name on the credit card(s) or other payment accounts used to deposit or receive monies in your Account. You are prohibited from holding more than one Account at PartyPoker.com. If you have more than one (1) Account or Accounts in different names, then you must contact us immediately to have your Accounts managed so that you only have one (1). If you have lost your Account name or password, please contact us for a replacement.

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And then later...

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11. Shared Games, Table and Database Platform.

The Company reserves the right to run and utilise a shared table, server and database platform or system ("Shared Game/Table Platform") which enables players from PartyPoker.com to play with players coming into the games, tables and tournaments from other websites and brands operating on the same Shared Game/Table Platform. You agree that you may be pooled into these common game/tables, at the Company's sole discretion, and that to the extent that you breach the terms and conditions of one site or brand that operates on the Shared Game/Table Platform, the Company may have you blocked, in part or full, from the entire system so that you may not play through any site or brand using or on the Shared Game/Table Platform. Without limitation to the restriction on having multiple accounts on PartyPoker.com in section 5, the Company may require that you only have one account on the Shared Game/Table Platform.

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It never specifically prohibits, at least in my understanding of the wording of #11, having an account at each skin. They MAY require you to have only one account across the board but in no way do they specifically state you can't create an account at each skin. And the statement could be inrepreted as you can only be logged in to one Skin at a time and are still able to have an account at each Skin.

So like I said still very ambiguous, why these sites leave these legal aspects so up in the air is anyone's guess. How hard would it be to put a hard and fast rule for multiple accounts? How hard is it to amend the #7 Anti-Cheating Software to include names of specific programs that are against the rules.

[PapaSan]

Many people have accounts at muliple skins and are allowed to.
Its only fairly recently that party started to not want people to have accounts on other party skins.