WHADELSEYAGOT(tm) . .. the essence of omaha high low!

[ADAMtheEXPERT]

Ok, most of you here, are not yet familiar with Adam the Expert. First off, you should know that EVERYTHING about ATE is totally original. Like me or not, at LEAST I come up with my own STUFF. Like my original, term

WHADELSEYAGOT(tm) This term, is the very essence of omaha high low, especially ESPECIALLY pot limit.

Friends, the fact of life in omaha is this: Anytime you have only one hand, REGARDLESS of what it is, it's not going to make you much profit, at best. At worst, you'll lose money, possibly half your stack, EVEN WHEN IT's a nut hand.

Hey, wait ATE, what if I have KK, and flop quad kings? won't that win!? Yes, it will, but you won't likely get much action on it, hence the notion of WHADELSEYAGOT(tm)

The object in omaha8 (or any poker game, for that matter) is not to win the pot, but to earn value for your hand.

In omaha high low, the big BIG money is made, when there is a low on the board, and you have BOTH. With high-only boards, there is not nearly as much action, and if anyone
calls, chances are that they ARE drawing live.

But, with a low board, if you have the right hand, very often you'll have people drawing DEAD, or at least be freerolling (Ed note: "freerolling" is a term that means that you have ZERO chance at getting nothing, but some chance of getting EVERYTHING, or in the case of omaha high-low, the lion's share: 2/3, 3/4 or the occasional 5/8th's)

Yeah, you snotty brats who think you know everything, there ARE newcomers that read this site, so ATE tries to explain terms that might not be familiar to them, so don't friggin' comment that I defined "freerollin'"

Oh, by the way, you do NOT always need some BIG high hand, to make a huge profit. Sometimes, with the right board and against the right opponent, a tiny pair, can be worth hundreds of dollars. THIS IS NOT a complete course in omaha high low, ATE would have to go over hundreds and hundreds of specific examples to teach that. Just know, that the very essence of omaha, is WHADELSEYAGO(tm)

Do youLike an A2K Q, with a flop of 3 4 5 and two diamonds that you DONT have? Well, the minute there's any big action, you are looking at getting a fraction of the pot, possibly as little as one sixth.

Think that your flopped straight is good, even if there's no low, and no flush draw . . . THINK AGAIN. As ATE said,
Without a redraw, or a combo high low hand, you do not have any significant power.

This of course, means that you should be looking at your starting hand, and assessing it's potential (or lack thereof) to make a big two-way hand. Hands like A2s J10, while playable, are not the big winners in omaha8, as you cannot make a straight and a low. If you make the straight, the only people who are gonna be in there . . . .

are those who

(1) can beat you

(2) already tie you.

In a pot limit game, ATE would not even play that hand, if great strength has been shown before the action gets to you.

Anyway, Since I am the top expert in the world, by far, in the matter of omaha, I'm not gonna get into a complete course here. I gotta save a few things, for my books.

I just wanna get y'all thinkin' in the right way.


Here's another ORIGINAL ATE term:


"two way, or NO WAY"


learn it, know it live it



Adam, the helpful and highly-irratating genius of poker, and the number one authority in the world, BY FAR in the matter of omaha.

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Adam, the helpful and highly-irratating genius of poker, and the number one authority in the world, BY FAR in the matter of omaha.

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You may be even more irritating than Phil H., but anyway a question:

What about one way hands like KQJ10 double suited. Only one way, but looks good. Any advice?

[ADAMtheEXPERT]

Ok,I'm going to try to be less snotty, and just say things in a nice way. Dear reader, I do'nt always read every reply, especially on this site, where there seems to be a much smaller percentage of ATE appreciaters. So, if you wish to ask a question, and make sure I see it: please make a NEW post, with the question directed at ATE. This way, I see it. Or, you can emai your question. But, ha ha I DO have a lessons business, so please don't expect long elaborate answers, on any and all questions. That's reserved for the paying clients, but I do try to help out all my readers, with a couple questions, gratis.


All right, this hand is HIGHLY playable, in a limit game, and can be profitable in pot limit, providing you have some real BAD opponents.

But, it does not, and will NEVER have the kind of PROFIT-power, as a quality ace hand.

The beauty of this particular hand, is that anytime you make two pair (whichever) you will always also have an open end straight draw, so the basic tennent of WHADELSEYAGOT(tm)
is fulfilled. Being double suited DOES mean something. Of course you do not GO for a secondary flush draw, when that's all you have. But, in situations where you are up against the same straight, you can easily find yourself FREEROLLIN' against a single opponent.


But, here's two things:

Many hands of the same general 'type" can look very similar to the uninitiated. But, in fact are LIGHT YEARS apart, in quality and power. And, it's very very important, to NOT "lump 'em together"!!!!

Did everyone get that!! I hope so.

Thus, a 9 10 J K, unsiuted or suited on the ten only

is NOT "kinda" like a 10JQK double.


Ok, have we got that. Again, ATE has a technical term for this, but I can't say it, because I really don't have the power to copyright things.

But, this hand, like any other, requires that you know what you're looking for on the flop.


If you even THINK about calling, a flop like J 2 3 rainbow, hoping to pick up two pair (and thus a straight draw) UNLESS the pot is capped, with like seven way action,
you are not ready to play the game.


So, go ahead and play, occasionally raise for varience in play.

Just remember

(1) a WEAK picture card hand, is NOT the same as a good one

(2) learn to KNOW what you are looking for, with each starting hand.

(3) Focus the majority of your money and efforts, on ACE hands


Adam the helpful genius

[Jorge10]

If you had played any pot limit omaha high low at all you would know that any As/2s has the potential to win a monster pot, specially after a big raise when you know someone has A/A. So your theory on As/2s/J/10 being unplayable, is one of the most insane things I have ever heard.

[DyessMan89]

Dont you hate it when retards try to be know it alls?

[ADAMtheEXPERT]

HEY DUNCAP, dipstick, idiot, and all other bad names that exist. YOU are the "retard" not ATE.

The whole notion of ATE fans, vrs. enemies is this:


If you like ATE,GOOD! this means that you are intelligent, and can TELL that ATE knows EXACTLY what's he's saying.


If you don't like me, and think I don't know anything,

THEN YOU ARE A FOOL, WHO HAS NO HOPE OF WINNING IN POKER

[ADAMtheEXPERT]

First of all, SIR! I can GAR AN TEEEEEE you, that ATE has played way more of all games, including pot limit omaha8 (in all different formats, too, five card, six card, etc.) than YOU! And, played it better too.


Why is it, that YOU and all the rest of the silly detrctors, can't seem to READ!

ATE clearly, CLEARLY said, that in the face of strong raising before you, you do NOT play the hand in question.

Perhaps in REAL pot limit, but certainly NOT in the "fake pot limit" games (READ: max buy in) that are offered on the internet.

Yes, a suited ace deuce CAN scoop of three-quarter someone.

Just like you CAN win the lottery, but I wouldn't count on it.

The issue is NOT what CAN happen, but the odds of it happening, compared to your implied odds, which are NEVER that good, in a "max buy" game, unless you and all the other people in the hand, have built up stacks 4 or more times than the minimum.

you really want to put in, say 80 bucks, when's it's raised and reraised before it gets to you, hopeing for the RARE chance, that you make flush and low. Or that you make a good wrap, and NEITHER CALLS YOU!.

I'll say it again, maybe by now, YOU HAVE LEARNED TO READ, AND WILL DRILL THIS INTO YOUR THICK SKULL


Against strong raising before you, and A2 hand, combined with picture cards, IS NOT PLAYABLE.

IT IS not not not A T HOUSAND TIMES NOT, the type of hand that rates to win, or three-quarter a big pot. It can happen, but it does not RATE too.


They day that you, or anyone for that matter, knows more than ATE in the subject of omaha, will be when I'm dead in the ground.



Adam, the angry, yet helpful genius

[gergery]

You clearly are sup bro's brain-damaged wannabe distant cousin. Please do novice poker players everywhere a huge favor and offer no advice.

[ADAMtheEXPERT]

HEY MORON, WHY DON'T YOU KEEP YOUR FACE SHUT! I don't know who the pluck this "sup" person is, but ATE is not related to him, or ANYONE.

I'm really starting to get sick of the MORONS on this site.

I'm really getting a good idea, of who I'm dealing with:

(1) age: 18-25, with PUNK attitude

(2) has read a few, or even several of the 2+2 books, and
think that this somehow makes him HOT SHIFT!

(3) Is rude, and disrespectful of his elders, and those who have spent a LIFETIME in the game, that they just started a year or two ago.

(4) Knows NOTHING, and has not the analytical ability, to see genius and mastery, when he sees it

(5) Was still poopin' in his hand, and wipin' it in his face, when ATE started playing poker

(6) Needs to have an enema, and clear out all the SHIP inside, that he's trying to SPEW at me.

(7) needs to SHUT up, and learn something from his elder, and his better

[charmy]

"Two way or no way." I understand this. However, if I play this way preflop, then I'm going to be out of a lot of pots. Furthermore, when I do play I won't get a flop to my liking most of the time.