a8s final table - push or fold?

schwza · #1 07-07-2005, 01:54 PM

final table started a few hands ago. next several jumps are $230, 1st is 6.2k.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1500 (10 handed) converter

MP3 (t26484)
CO (t21088)
Button (t24186)
SB (t26290)
BB (t13520)
UTG (t10260)
UTG+1 (t51295)
UTG+2 (t34399)
MP1 (t12508)
Hero (t9970)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, hero?

A_PLUS · #2 07-07-2005, 01:56 PM

Wooo Hoooo!!! This is my kind of question...one with an Answer!

What was a general view of the pay increases, I dont really play at stars.

schwza · #3 07-07-2005, 02:01 PM

uh, this is party.

payouts are 27%, 15.5%, 10.5, 8, 7, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1. (i.e., 10th = 1% of prize pool).

check your pm.

A_PLUS · #4 07-07-2005, 02:10 PM

got it, party.

What PM?

Well, it is +CEV, checking if it is +$EV now

schwza · #5 07-07-2005, 02:13 PM

jumped the gun... now check your pm. do you have icm tool for 10 payouts?

A_PLUS · #6 07-07-2005, 02:34 PM

Nah, the ICM I have only goes to 9 players. I will use a % of total chips * total money paid method

locutus2002 · #7 07-07-2005, 02:34 PM

Easy push.

Even on the loosest table you'll pick up the blinds frequently (1/2 to 2/3) . When you do get called you're ~50/50 to double up or go out, since the payoff is very top heavy this is CEV++.

A_PLUS · #8 07-07-2005, 02:43 PM

N/m, 230 runners

loc, you have your CEV and $EV backwards

locutus2002 · #9 07-07-2005, 03:07 PM

???
yes mean TEV
TEV(T20,000) >= 2 X TEV(T10,000)

A_PLUS · #10 07-07-2005, 03:18 PM

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Easy push.

Even on the loosest table you'll pick up the blinds frequently (1/2 to 2/3) . When you do get called you're ~50/50 to double up or go out, since the payoff is very top heavy this is CEV++.

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It is mathematically impossible to have a steal be succesful 1/2-2/3 of the time and have 50% equity vs. a call.

They work in opposite directions.

Also, (I know you understand this, but I dont want to confuse any newbioes)

Since the payout is top heavy, it is very +$EV

CEV (or TEV) is Tournament chip equity. It is calculated the same way as you calculate EV in a side game.

$EV is the amount of real world money you expect to win in a given situation. Many ways to calculate it, none are exact, ICM, and % equity are the most common that I know of.