I can't beat .5/1 Party

sexdrugsmoney · #1 07-06-2005, 09:16 AM

Guys I need your help.

I can't beat .5/1 Party, I'm down 150BB's in the last 3-4 days and my confidence is shot to pieces.

My V$PIP is around 25, pfr 8-9, I'm going to SD about 37 and winning just over 40.

SCfuji (thanks fuji) asked me to post these stats. The norm is as-is, my numbers for comparison are in brackets to the right of the norm numbers: (% from the Won $ at SD % column in PT under misc stats)

One pair ---- 21.9% (35.90%)
Two pair ---- 24.7% (41.28)
Three ------- 14.5% (64.62)
Straight ---- 12.0% (88.00)
Flush ------- 11.4% (80.43)
Full House -- 10.7% (76.00)

These players keep outdrawing me coming in with dominated hands, I honestly can't take it.

I don't want to move up in limits because I'm determined to step up each limit as a "stepping stone" and if I can't beat .5/1 then I'm going nowhere until I can.

I haven't read SSH (its in the mail) but have read Lee Jones book.

If I follow Jones' advice I'm folding too much when a scare card hits, if I follow Millers' (from the threads I've read of his in these forums) then someone always has those scare cards.

What prompted me to post this thread is that today a player sat down at Party with $20 and turned it into $100 within about 2 hours.

He was jokingly confident and had a V$Pip of 95! and a pfr of 12, he was crushing the table and PT has him pegged as "Loose Passive/Passive" (so he wasn't a maniac)

I then thought to myself, "is this how you're supposed to play the really low limits? virtually never fold pre-flop and cold call infinate raises?" ... I just don't know.

I hear about people "crushing" tables and limits but whenever I play I never feel like I'm crushing anything even if I win a few hands in a row.

Where does this confidence come from to say you can "crush" something?

Any advice is appreciated, I really need help, I'm not touching the game for a while.

Cheers,
SDM

Here's a recent hand if you guys wish to comment, UTG+1 was the guy who played 95% of hands BTW. (table had a pfr of around 4 and tightness of about 17-20)

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, CO (poster) checks, 2 folds, BB raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, CO folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 raises, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, BB calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, BB calls.

River: (12.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, BB raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 18.75 BB

SCfuji · #2 07-06-2005, 09:18 AM

we cant give you help if you dont show us how you play

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...amp;PHPSESSID=

compare your stats with these numbers and then post some hands for us to discuss.

flopwell · #3 07-06-2005, 09:31 AM

I am experiencing the same thing, to a degree at Paradise .50/1. While I am only down 50 BB after 2k hands, I just can't get ahead. I was winning at 8 BB/100 over 10k hands at .25/50. What I find is that the tables are significantly tighter at the new level, which means there aren't as many easy games, so I remember the bad beats more and more. In fact, I was up 20 BB after about 100 games last nite, when at one of these tables a 75/1/0.38 sat down and double his buy-in largely at my expense. I isolated him 3 times with TPGK or better and he drew out every time, with nowhere near the odds to draw. Such is life(or poker at least,) but it didn't make me feel any better when I left down 1 BB a little while later.

Keep your head up, play good poker, and by all means, READ SSHE [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

KingOtter · #4 07-06-2005, 09:37 AM

You can't push the cards... all you can do is be there waiting for when they turn your way again. Concentrate on making good poker decisions, be confident in your play no matter what the outcome and don't focus on the money.

KO

Taxmanrick · #5 07-06-2005, 12:34 PM

I just recently went through the same thing. someone recommended i re-read SShe' post flop section. I also got the advanced player book and read that. I review those often and refer to this site regularly. I makes a difference. Keep positive and play good poker, it will catch up with the idiots out there!!! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Fantam · #6 07-06-2005, 09:38 AM

That guy was just being extremely lucky. I have seen that happen with other players playing too many hands also. But if you had to see them play all the time, you would notice that they would be losing overall.

Wait to receive your copy of SSHE and in the meantime read the forums here, and make your own suggestions as to how to play hands. You will get feedback from other players if they disagree with your advice, and this will help to improve your game.

Also review the hands that you played and post a few of the ones which you had difficulty with here. Explain your decision making and thoughts at the time of playing the hand, and see if other players would have played your hand the same way.

My understanding is that Lee Jones book recommends cautious play for new players, so its possible that you misunderstood some of the book's suggestions.

Keep reading and post hands here. Winning play will come with a disciplined tight (and agressive) approach, but it takes time and practice. Its not easy, but with patience it will come.

RatFink · #7 07-06-2005, 09:54 AM

It's been awhile since I read it, but I believe limping UTG with T9o isn't in Lee Joneses Book.

phlup · #8 07-06-2005, 11:17 AM

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It's been awhile since I read it, but I believe limping UTG with T9o isn't in Lee Joneses Book.

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It needs to be said again.

davelin · #9 07-06-2005, 09:55 AM

Fold pre-flop

Guthrie · #10 07-06-2005, 12:25 PM

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Fold pre-flop

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