Scare card gets there - That's a good thing right?

Lestat · #1 07-06-2005, 12:01 AM

Party 30-60

1 early limper, I complete the sb with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], bb checks.

Flop is A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I bet, bb raises, limper folds, I re-raise, bb calls.

Turn is 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I bet, bb raises, I re-raise, he caps, I call.

River is T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I check, he bets, I raise.

Right or wrong?

Xhiggy · #2 07-06-2005, 12:37 AM

wow, you played that a lot more aggressively than I would have. any reads on bb?
I don't really like betting out there, especially with a limper, and much prefer check-raising if I do decide to play there. and with an earlier limper, I think I even fold this more often than not.

after the flop, I'd only play like this against a hyper-aggressive opponent. I don't see how this scare card helps you, as the hand I'd be most concerned about the villain having is a boat. any reasonable villain that has the trips with a weaker kicker I think just calls the turn 3bet and calls down.

I'm wondering if there's any value left at all..

Lestat · #3 07-06-2005, 01:06 AM

Thanks for your thoughts Xhiggy.

I'm curious why you feel I may not have flopped the best hand with 2nd pair/best kicker against 1 early limper and a random big blind?

Xhiggy · #4 07-06-2005, 01:20 AM

hello,

you're right, I've probably been undervalue-ing hands like this too soon, but once you do lead out, I feel that the BB's raise here is a lot more legitimate given the prescence of the limper, and the fact that this is not a flop to bluff-lead at.

my default line without a read on the BB would be to call the raise, and then re-evaluate on the turn. but then again, I've probably become too passive out of position lately with too much emphasis on getting to showdown..

roy_miami · #5 07-06-2005, 01:42 AM

Is completing with K5o standard? I only do it if the limper is horrible.

Lestat · #6 07-06-2005, 01:49 AM

Good point. He didn't strike me as good, which was why I played. That and the fact he was the only limper.

pokerhooker · #7 07-06-2005, 01:52 AM

On the turn, your re-raise represents at least trip 5's yet he still capped. What did you put him on? If it was a lesser 5, the T didn't help you and might have filled him up if he wasn't already. If he has a 5, I'll let him bet it.

I check-call, or bet and call a raise, although I believe some people will find that a weak line.

I assume you are trying to represent a flush when you mention "scare card" in the title, but for the same reason you didn't put him on a flush draw, he doesn't put you on one: there was too much action on the flop and turn to be drawing.

The worst-case scenario, of course, is that a flush is no good anyway, and that he filled up. Do you fold to a river 3-bet?

Lestat · #8 07-06-2005, 02:07 AM

I actually liked my hand the whole way, although I did become a little nervous after he capped the turn. I thought the Tc was actually a good card for me. The way the hand played out, he is now very hard pressed to 3-bet anything less than a full house. I probably should've mentioned the bb was not a bad player, albeit maybe a little over aggressive at times.

pokerhooker · #9 07-06-2005, 02:34 AM

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Heh, at some point you have to not like your hand:

1) on the flop, his raise is an ace, or at least can beat your 5
2) on the turn, your 5 just leapfrogged an ace, but why is he capping?
3) on the river, flush draw got there

All the betting just seems like a fast-played set, 33... but then it's sounding like your value river check-raise worked and your hand was good.

Lestat · #10 07-06-2005, 03:05 AM

Well as elindauer pointed out, my 3-bet on the flop might have got him to misread my hand for a pair of aces, A3, or maybe an ace with a club draw. Now if he has a 5, he's gotta love it. This could promote a little extra action on the turn.

I won't say if I won or lost yet. I'm not Mason.. I do post hands that I lose. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] In fact, I only post hands where I questioned my play. Usually they are losers, but not all of them.