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07-05-2005, 01:07 AM
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Playing a draw against a player on tilt
UTG is a LAG player who usually makes good decisions but is prone to call with draws and the like and can tilt fairly easily.
5 hands ago he just lost 2000 when he called all in with the 2nd nuts (too bad). He was real pissed to say the least and rebought for 4000. It seems like he is about to drop a bunch. 2/5 NL Hero has 800 and button and AQ spades UTG raises preflop to 40, UTG+3 calls, hero calls Flop: J 8 2 (2 spades), UTG bets 100, UTG+3 folds, hero raises to 300 total, UTG pushes, hero calls What do people think here ... obviously I wasn't too upset getting all in after the flop. Although he was tilting, I thought that he might not pay me off if I just called the flop then hit. Also he'd definitely fire at any none spade turn if i did just call. However, I also figured he would also probably push if it turned out he did have a premium hand. Thoughts about this hand and playing draws against fast/tilting players in general? 
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#3
07-05-2005, 08:42 AM
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Re: Playing a draw against a player on tilt
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Not bad given ur stack size. [/ QUOTE ] How can you say this? Maybe I read wrong but this is a 2/5NL, NOT 25/50NL. He almost has 180BB's. This is HUGE -EV. Best case scenerio, he has something like JJ. Most likely he has AA/KK/AK. What can you beat? KJ?
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#4
07-05-2005, 08:47 AM
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Re: Playing a draw against a player on tilt
After your raise though, you gotta call.
You played the hand good in the sense that you are +EV vs an average opponent who is willing to fold his hands. You know he is tilting, but you assume he doesnt have a hand. If he has any decent hand he is calling you, and you should know this. But you play as if he doesn't have a hand, or he will fold(both are unlikely).
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#5
07-05-2005, 09:27 AM
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Re: Playing a draw against a player on tilt
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[ QUOTE ] Not bad given ur stack size. [/ QUOTE ] How can you say this? Maybe I read wrong but this is a 2/5NL, NOT 25/50NL. He almost has 180BB's. This is HUGE -EV. Best case scenerio, he has something like JJ. Most likely he has AA/KK/AK. What can you beat? KJ? [/ QUOTE ] The reason i dont mind this is because tilter raised to 8xBB so the pot is already a decent size and a because villain is tilting his hand range is much much larger than JJ or better. In my experience a tilter will try to make that raise and then the push after the flop with not much just to take it down.. So i dont think hero is that worse off here given an avg's tilter's hand range. I really dont think JJ-AA and AK is the complete set of hands tilter can have here. I dont mind the raise here, because IF tilter folds a better hand and hero shows ..it can annoy tilter to no end which will often create +ev situations in the future.
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#6
07-05-2005, 09:54 AM
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Re: Playing a draw against a player on tilt
I agree that he can be open raising a bunch of hands, but what is he pushing the flop with?
On second thought, if the villian has even a 50% chance of making this play on the flop with nothing, this is EV+.
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#7
07-05-2005, 02:24 PM
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Re: Playing a draw against a player on tilt
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[ QUOTE ] Not bad given ur stack size. [/ QUOTE ] How can you say this? Maybe I read wrong but this is a 2/5NL, NOT 25/50NL. He almost has 180BB's. This is HUGE -EV. Best case scenerio, he has something like JJ. Most likely he has AA/KK/AK. What can you beat? KJ? [/ QUOTE ] First, JJ is the worst case scenrio. Second, this hand range is WAY to narrow for a tilting villain, and, as you mention this is not 25/50 it is 2/5. Wide hand range, enough said. This guy is on tilt he could be on air for all we know....his raise meant two cards....his push meant they interact with the board more often than not. Given the pot size and heros stack and villains tilty range, not calling here is a crime IMO.
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#8
07-05-2005, 06:15 AM
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Re: Playing a draw against a player on tilt
Why don't you just call? If he is on tilt it seems you might be able to double up on a spade or win the pot with a Q or A. Seems like you're risking more than you have to by getting it in on the flop.
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#9
07-05-2005, 06:57 AM
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Re: Playing a draw against a player on tilt
So, the tilt description helps in predicting how he will react to a jacks-or-better flop with two spades on board.
[ QUOTE ] I also figured he would also probably push if it turned out he did have a premium hand. [/ QUOTE ] If you invest $800 (all in) after he opened the door for a $100 call then you gave up $140 to make $180 in return for $800 to make $840, or slightly worse odds on a draw that is a 4:1 shot.You may not have an Ace or Queen as an out at all. If your raise had knocked him out, it would have been an OK move but he probably had jacks or better and he could see the two spades. I would have called and played the outs for $100. If he was as tilty as you say there's the chance you could have still raked a full pot when he made second-best flush or bet a set.
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#10
07-05-2005, 09:17 AM
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Re: Playing a draw against a player on tilt
Why raise and open the door for a push if you KNOW he is on tilt?
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