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06-30-2005, 07:54 PM
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Question about counterfeiting chips -- i.e.,why doesn\'t anyone do it?
It's probably due to the fact that I don't know jack about the process, but it seems to me that counterfeiting a poker chip would be a lot easier to do that counterfeiting a $20 bill, especially the newfangled $20s they have with the holo-strips and all that crap.
Wouldn't it be straightforward for someone with the relative expertise to determine what the makeup/density/weight was of, say, $100 poker chips at a given casino, and crank out a thousand of them? And there are lots o' casinos out there . . . Probably something I'm missing -- are there a bunch of tests that casinos do every night on their chips to make sure that there aren't any fakes? Obviously they can weigh them, but that's pretty lame . . . there's got to be other parts of the process. Just curious. Not planning on doing this as a side business, promise [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]. 
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06-30-2005, 08:08 PM
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Re: Question about counterfeiting chips -- i.e.,why doesn\'t anyone do
Why do you think all the Vegas houses are moving to implement RFID tags in the chips?
Travel channel had a great episode on "Breaking Vegas" on a fellow who nearly got away with counterfeiting $1 slot coins. Started with Foxwoods. Only got caught cause the counting rooms noticed they had too many coins. fun.
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06-30-2005, 11:18 PM
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Re: Question about counterfeiting chips -- i.e.,why doesn\'t anyone do
Radio Frequency Identification. Typically a microchip or even a sticker tagged with information - like the validity of a poker chip, or a chip's value, or even an individual chip's unique identifier. These chips/stickers can then be "pinged" by RFID readers.
Some appliance manufacturers are toying with the idea of equipping refrigerators with RFID readers - the idea being the refrigerator can tell you what's inside without you having to stand there with the door wide open. I hear that Wynn, among others, is starting to use RFID in its poker chips.
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07-01-2005, 10:29 PM
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Re: Question about counterfeiting chips -- i.e.,why doesn\'t anyone do
RFID, talk about being able to track how much in chips you have on you. A Passive RFID tag can last for a very long time, but is considered non-secure. Given the basics of RFID, I imagine it would be easier to counterfit the RFID strip than it would be to counterfit the pokerchip and doubt that the casino would create a unique RFID tag for each poker chip, but by adding to the complexity, it would provide some additional security, none the less. Using an RFID tag, which was inserted into each person that visited the casino would be a more interesting proposition...
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#7
07-01-2005, 12:26 AM
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Re: Question about counterfeiting chips -- i.e.,why doesn\'t anyone do
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=2433192
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=2433537
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#8
06-30-2005, 09:23 PM
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Re: Question about counterfeiting chips -- i.e.,why doesn\'t anyone do
[ QUOTE ]
Travel channel had a great episode on "Breaking Vegas" on a fellow who nearly got away with counterfeiting $1 slot coins. Started with Foxwoods. Only got caught cause the counting rooms noticed they had too many coins. fun. [/ QUOTE ] it wasn't travel channel. it was the history channel. the breaking vegas series is very entertaining and informative. some schmuck from jersey studied the coins in and out for a few years. he was finally able to replicate them to precise specifications. then he got caught cause he got greedy.
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06-30-2005, 11:29 PM
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Re: Question about counterfeiting chips -- i.e.,why doesn\'t anyone do
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Travel channel had a great episode on "Breaking Vegas" on a fellow who nearly got away with counterfeiting $1 slot coins. Started with Foxwoods. Only got caught cause the counting rooms noticed they had too many coins. fun. [/ QUOTE ] it wasn't travel channel. it was the history channel. the breaking vegas series is very entertaining and informative. some schmuck from jersey studied the coins in and out for a few years. he was finally able to replicate them to precise specifications. then he got caught cause he got greedy. [/ QUOTE ] IIRC, he was making coins bigger than $1. I think he started with $10 tokens, but I don't remember how high he went. Do they have $100 tokens for the high limit slots? As mentioned above, he was caught when a casino counted their tokens and expected less (people keeping them as souvenirs) than the last time, but instead, had several thousand more. They called other casinos who found the same. They weren't able to distinguish the real chips from the counterfiets in many cases. The show said that no one knows how many of his Foxwoods tokens are still being used today because they were unable to effectively separate them out. I believe that the show said that technically, it was not illegal for him to make the tokens in his state (at the time). I don't recall whether the illegal part was using them or crossing state lines to use them. I think it was the latter. Can't remember for sure though [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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#10
07-01-2005, 12:36 AM
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Re: Question about counterfeiting chips -- i.e.,why doesn\'t anyone do
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Travel channel had a great episode on "Breaking Vegas" on a fellow who nearly got away with counterfeiting $1 slot coins. Started with Foxwoods. Only got caught cause the counting rooms noticed they had too many coins. fun. [/ QUOTE ] it wasn't travel channel. it was the history channel. the breaking vegas series is very entertaining and informative. some schmuck from jersey studied the coins in and out for a few years. he was finally able to replicate them to precise specifications. then he got caught cause he got greedy. [/ QUOTE ] IIRC, he was making coins bigger than $1. I think he started with $10 tokens, but I don't remember how high he went. Do they have $100 tokens for the high limit slots? As mentioned above, he was caught when a casino counted their tokens and expected less (people keeping them as souvenirs) than the last time, but instead, had several thousand more. They called other casinos who found the same. They weren't able to distinguish the real chips from the counterfiets in many cases. The show said that no one knows how many of his Foxwoods tokens are still being used today because they were unable to effectively separate them out. I believe that the show said that technically, it was not illegal for him to make the tokens in his state (at the time). I don't recall whether the illegal part was using them or crossing state lines to use them. I think it was the latter. Can't remember for sure though [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] was the latter. was a good show too. if he just walked away earlier he would have been a genius.
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