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In trying to be selectively aggressive, I have come to the point where I know what pre-flop hands to play and when (mostly). I was dealt a good hand and had a few reads on the table. People were raising and reraising with small pairs or playing a lot of Ax. Other than these, I had few other reads. Was I aggressive enough with it or did I play it recklessly? My gut told me to cap preflop and back down later if needed, but I didn't (obviosuly).
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls. Flop: (17 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG+1 calls. Turn: (12.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls. River: (16.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls. Final Pot: 18.50 BB |
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I think I like calling the flop. A raise would be good if you knew your overs were clean, but UTG's PF 3-bet means that if he's a decent player, he's on AA-JJ (maybe TT), AK. That being the case, your value is in the flush draw and you want to try and get the two after you to call. Capping is reckless, IMO.
Otherwise, good. |
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i agree with crownjules. i would call the flop the first time. after you raise and he 3-bets when it's heads up, there's little point to capping.
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I dunno, I read a ton of posts like this from villian's POV where people say "3-bet flop, call down if capped, lead turn if not capped".
I think it's generally bad advice, but the fact is a lot of people think this way. I agree on just calling the first flop bet, but if he decides he wants a free card, a cap isn't a big mistake once he's 3-bet. A cap could also make villian whiff on a turn C/R if he has a hand. |
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I dunno, I read a ton of posts like this from villian's POV where people say "3-bet flop, call down if capped, lead turn if not capped". I think it's generally bad advice, but the fact is a lot of people think this way. [/ QUOTE ] This would be bad advice in this situation. I say, generally, you only want to be pumping the flop for a flush draw/OESD if: 1. nobody's showing much agression, 2. the original bettor is on your immediate left (or 2 to your left if you're in CO and the Button is still in), so you've got a large part of the field trapped, and 3. you're draw is likely to be close to the nuts (in this case you'd be ok, even with the possibility that A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is out). |
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pre-flop - i think you played it fine. capping might only get out the button and sb, which you don't want - you want them to pay off your hand when you hit it.
i think you should just call the flop. the pot is so big that people are still getting 10:1, so you aren't protecting your hand that well anyhow. plus, your overcards probably aren't clean (even with the craziness of the table, i'd give the 3-bettor some credit unless i'd seen him make multiple crazy plays). also, you'd like the button and sb to stick around if you make your flush. i don't see why you capped the flop. you don't have enough equity to be raising for value, and UTG+1 isn't going anywhere. |
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...so you aren't protecting your hand that well... [/ QUOTE ] Not to mention that you have nothing to protect on the flop. You're drawing, so raising is to swell the pot for when you do hit your hand, and possibly get you a free turn if you need it. |
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[ QUOTE ] ...so you aren't protecting your hand that well... [/ QUOTE ] Not to mention that you have nothing to protect on the flop. You're drawing, so raising is to swell the pot for when you do hit your hand, and possibly get you a free turn if you need it. [/ QUOTE ] yeah, sorry - i wasn't that clear. i meant that you aren't even cleaning up your outs that well because the pot is so huge. |
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Its unusual to see players limp then re-raise. However some players like to do this when they have AA or KK. They limp because they are afraid everyone else will fold if they raise, but if someone else raises and other players call, they think it is safe for them to 3-bet to build up the pot.
So I think that you were correct not to cap PF. On the flop, you have the 2nd nut flush draw and 2 overcards. However, I suspect that pairing either of your overcards may not be good enough to win, as UTG 3-bet PF. So I would have called UTG's flop bet, so as not to risk folding out the players behind me. I would have liked Button and SB to call and help pad the pot for those times that I complete my flush draw. Basically you just need at least 3 other players to call to make it worthwhile when you have a flush draw on the flop, because your chance of making your flush by the river is about 2:1. Once you made your flush on the turn, it was obviously correct for you to raise the turn and bet out on the river. |
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I would just call the first flop bet. If you raise and the rest of the field drops, you aren't betting for value anymore.
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