AA, river play.

cold_cash · #1 06-25-2005, 04:56 PM

This might be an easy one.

No super solid reads, but MP1 seems like the spaz/wannabe trickster type.

BB is unknown.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, MP 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets, Hero raises, BB calls, MP calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP calls.

River: (12.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP raises, Hero...?

I think I misplayed it.

Dave G. · #2 06-25-2005, 05:00 PM

Judging by the PF action, MP could have a big pair himself. It's unlikely the 3 helped him unless he has exactly JJ, in which case you're toast anyway (and he should have raised the turn).

His raise could mean that he thinks your two pair just got counterfeited. Still, I think I like a call on the river, to encourage BB to overcall. If you think BB will call your raise, then go ahead and 3-bet it.

cold_cash · #3 06-25-2005, 05:07 PM

I'm sure the BB will call a 3-bet w/ a worse hand, but it's unlikely the BB will unless I'm losing.

Does that sway anyone one way or the other?

MrWookie47 · #4 06-25-2005, 05:13 PM

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I'm sure the BB will call a 3-bet w/ a worse hand, but it's unlikely the BB will unless I'm losing.

Does that sway anyone one way or the other?

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Umm, what?

cold_cash · #5 06-25-2005, 05:16 PM

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I'm sure the BB will call a 3-bet w/ a worse hand, but it's unlikely the BB will unless I'm losing.

Does that sway anyone one way or the other?

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Umm, what?

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That was supposed to be:

I'm sure MP will call a 3-bet w/ a worse hand, but it's unlikely the BB will unless I'm losing.

Dave G. · #6 06-25-2005, 05:17 PM

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I'm sure the MP will call a 3-bet w/ a worse hand, but it's unlikely the BB will unless I'm losing.

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Okay, changing my post. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I'd probably be more inclined to 3-bet it now. You don't really want an overcall from BB if you think he could have you beat. A raise gets extra value off MP when you're a very good chance of beating him.

More importantly though, if the BB does have some crap thing like K3, he may even fold the winner. Of course, I wouldn't expect him to fold it very often, but that fact combined with the fact that we could still very well be best here and MP is giving us plenty of value means I like a 3-bet.

MrWookie47 · #7 06-25-2005, 05:34 PM

No way is BB folding a better hand here.

I think there's a decent chance he'll overcall for one more closing the action.

I hear what Shill's saying about you very probably having the best hand. When we hear he's a tricky player, however, does that not mean that he could be slowplaying a set to the river for maximum trickery? I guess he could also be slowplaying KK for maximum trickery as well.

I think I still like calling and going for the overcall rather than exposing ourselves to a cap.

Dave G. · #8 06-25-2005, 05:44 PM

Meh. You're probably right. I've seen some pretty bad laydowns here recently though.

If alls we're worried about is a cap from MP, then I still think 3-betting this is good. He has to have exactly JJ for us to be screwed. Most of the time he won't have it. And if BB does call the 3-bet, we aren't guaranteed to lose to him either.

MrWookie47 · #9 06-25-2005, 05:11 PM

I'd expect to see a stone cold bluff here or 44, 88, or JJ. I don't think I want to 3bet. I don't have a cat handy to kick when he caps, and if it's a bluff, he's not calling anyway. It's conceivable that he's holding AJ or KJ, but I think those are unlikely. I don't expect to be called and win often enough my the LAG.

Well...

I guess with BB padding the pot, we don't have to be good as often to 3bet. If it is a bluff and the maniac folds, BB may still call. I guess raising is closer than I thought, but I think I still like calling. BB may fold for two more, but we could get the overcall if we just call.

MrWookie47 · #10 06-25-2005, 05:03 PM

You gotta call. BB is probably just a retard who'll call. If you already have evidence that MP is wonky-aggressive, it makes the call pretty easy, even if you don't expect to win all that much.