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06-25-2005, 10:00 AM
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Re: Call?
Surely this cant be a good call? He didnt raise all in to take the blinds, BB is committed, so he has to have enough to take him on.
I dont think his range is any two, and for this reason i think folding to let him take on the shortstack is the right move. If shorty doubles, the stacks are: Big 6000 You 1700 Short 2300 This puts you on the button with just under 3 blinds, and whilst your FE isnt great, it certainly isnt non-existant. If shorty folds (for whatever reason) the stacks are: Big 7900 You 1700 Shorty 400 This puts him effectively all in on the SB, on the offchance you get nothing on the button, and he folds, you can fold both blinds to walk into 2nd. Whilst calling probably gives you a good shot at taking first, it does so at the expence of second. You can fold now, and push the next hand if you have anything which gets you to just over where you are now. If you get nothing, then you can probably get into 2nd most of the time. Right? Id be interested in someone more math minded working this through, but imo its a fold, though not a clear one thats for sure. Phill 
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#3
06-25-2005, 10:10 AM
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Re: Call?
I call here because if you fold and BB doubles up, you're the shortstack. Button's raise, in my mind, just means that he has an above average hand and wants to isolate shorty. Not that he has a monster. Once you call, you are basically guaranteeing that you will be heads up with the button. (Shorty only calls with an absolute monster.)
If this was a bubble hand, it would be another story. But ITM, I just don't think that I can pass up KQs in this spot. I gamble and play for first. But then again, I only play the 11s and 22s. The other thing about this is that I've found in spots like this (where you're ITM and one guy has the table covered 3:1) alot of times, the bigstack wants to create a "bubble for 2nd" where he thinks that he can continue to push the table around. I don't let him have that chance, so I call here with the probable better hand.
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#5
06-25-2005, 11:28 AM
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Re: Call?
I haven't played enough games with AbelM to know if hes too tight here, but I seriously doubt it.
Besides his range the most important factor (maybe more important) of this hand is the following: You have 3rd locked up (20% eq). You are fighting to win 10% (2nd) or 30% (1st) of the prize pool. Thats a big difference. Since 1st place is so much more than 2nd I say gamble it up.
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#9
06-25-2005, 01:22 PM
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Re: Call?
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A $215: Button: 7k SB(Me): 2k BB(AbelM):1k 300/600 Button pushes I have KQs and call. Standard? [/ QUOTE ] These are the types of questions that I always ponder. A lot of equity passes to small stack if you call (obviously) and lose. At a $215, I assume a bigstack is aware of this dynamic. Which means that small stack has a pretty narrow hand range to call. Middle stack (psychologically) fears losing this equity, and it is this psychological factor that a bigstack can prey on, especially when blinds are this gigantic. This is a lot to think through. And player reads are very heavy dependent. Is bigstack this smart? Is he aware of these issues? If so, then his pushing range is pretty wide, and there's a good possibility that KQs is the best hand right here. I think these are some of the issues to consider before getting here. To help you make this decision, and calling is likely the best decision here. Scuba
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#10
06-25-2005, 03:41 PM
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Re: Call?
My read was that he wasn't too tight or too loose. I thought it was likely that I had the best hand and didn't think folding to move up 1 spot was worth it. I think this is a lose lose situation for me, either I lose equity to the short stack or to the big stack. I wouldn't have thought twice about it if Abel had more chips, but him being so low made me think for a second. Anyways, here is the HH.
***** Hand History for Game -2034560130 ***** 600/1200 TOURNEYTEXASHTGAMETABLE (NL) (TOURNAMENT 13390264) - SAT JUN 25 09:10:27 EDT 2005 Table Table 10899 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button Total number of players : 3 Seat 1: mraction23 (6985) Seat 2: TEPop84 (2033) Seat 5: AbelM (982) TEPop84 posts small blind (300) AbelM posts big blind (600) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to TEPop84 [ Kh, Qh ] mraction23 raises (6985) to 6985 mraction23 is all-In. TEPop84 calls (1733) TEPop84 is all-In. AbelM folds. Creating Main Pot with $4666 with TEPop84 Creating Side Pot 1 with $4952 with mraction23 ** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9c, 3d, 7c ] ** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qd ] ** Dealing River ** : [ 6c ] ** Summary ** Main Pot: 4666 | Side Pot 1: 4952 Board: [ 9c 3d 7c Qd 6c ] mraction23 balance 4952, bet 6985, collected 4952, lost -2033 [ Ad Jd ] [ high card ace -- Ad,Qd,Jd,9c,7c ] TEPop84 balance 4666, bet 2033, collected 4666, net +2633 [ Kh Qh ] [ a pair of queens -- Kh,Qh,Qd,9c,7c ] AbelM balance 382, lost 600 (folded)
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