K4 suited in MP2

dozer · #1 06-25-2005, 04:22 AM

Button is a TAG, the blinds and limpers are loose.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

 The converter screwed up, the poster checked and then folded for one more when button raised. 

Flop: (13 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP1 folds, Hero raises, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: (10.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

I think pre-flop is ok with 2 loose limpers and a poster.

I think I played this hand too weak. Is it standard to bet the flop and river with this marginal hand?

wrto4556 · #2 06-25-2005, 04:28 AM

fold before the flop. K4s might work on the button, but not in MP2.

I thinkn you should lead into the button on the flop.

thirddan · #3 06-25-2005, 04:28 AM

i would fold this preflop, put me on the button and i'll limp, but with two people left to act i think its a fold...

flop and turn i like...but i think there is some value in betting the river, a hand like QJ or ATd will call...

wrto4556 · #4 06-25-2005, 04:30 AM

I agree about the river, but shouldnt we not give free cards on the flop. Betting into the PFR might get him to raise and fold out gut shots. He probably raises AJ and a few others we beat.

thirddan · #5 06-25-2005, 04:39 AM

meh, i suppose either betting or checking the flop is ok, but even if PFR raises everyone is still getting 8-1 on a call, and the more callers the better odds everyone else gets...i suppose the only real coup we can get is if the PFR raises (with an hand we beat) and knocks out a hand like K9/KT...

ihardlyknowher · #6 06-25-2005, 04:58 AM

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Didn't even read the hand, but fold preflop. IMO there are no circumstances where this hand is playable in MP2.

Notorious G.O.B. · #7 06-25-2005, 05:30 AM

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Didn't even read the hand, but fold preflop. IMO there are no circumstances where this hand is playable in MP2.

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What if no one's raised a pot in the past month, and the button is playing 80% of his hands? His limp may be a mistake, but I don't think it's a serious one by any means. If the other players play pretty bad, I think it's reasonable.

toss · #8 06-25-2005, 05:47 AM

What about K5 or K6s suited?

thirddan · #9 06-25-2005, 05:49 AM

i don't play Kxs after limpers until its K8/9s from outside of the CO/button (stealing is obviously different)...i dont really see much different between K4 and K7 since your kicker still sucks and you don't have any straight potential...

toss · #10 06-25-2005, 06:01 AM

I admit the value may be thin, but to say that you never will play it...