80/160 #4: AJs

[Nate tha' Great]

80/160 Bellagio again. An opponent whom I regarded at the time as somewhat loose-aggressive, especially before the flop, open-raises from UTG+2. I 3-bet with AJs in MP. Folded to the opponent who 4-bets, I call (5-bet cap here).

Flop is K-rag-rag rainbow with one of my suit, my opponent checks and I check behind.

Turn is an offsuit J, my opponent bets and I call.

River is a T, opponent bets and I fold.

[Turning Stone Pro]

Well played. I love the turn call, but I would expect to see a real hand here, based on his river bet (coupled with the PF 4 bet and the flop check). Only way you could have a better hand is if this fellow is bordering on maniac status.

TSP

[andyfox]

What's the rule in Vegas: is there no cap when the pot turns into a head-up battle?

Anybody like raising the turn?

[Nate tha' Great]

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Anybody like raising the turn?

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Yeah that's the main question here IMO. I've already asked two 2+2ers about this one privately and got two completely opposite responses.

[autobet]

I would usually raise the turn.

[elysium]

hi nate

you aren't leading by enough when your turn raise is called. it is also unclear whether or not you have the lead. the best course in this situation is simply calling your opponent down.

i edited my first post about making a possible turn raise. i had you in first position with a draw to the nuts. seeing now that the turn produced an off-suit, and that you are in last position, under no circumstances should you raise. however, even if you did have first position, and a draw to the nuts, you should not attempt a semi-bluff check-raise in this spot. the reason? the semi won't foldout this opponent....and you also get into the issue of whether or not you are in the lead. in otherwords nate, you may not want the turn fold to your raise, however, since you aren't leading sufficiently enough those times the raise is called, you also don't like the call. a raise therefore, can only hurt you, and never help you in this spot.

yeah nate, you must quickly recognize when not to get fancy. this is usually the great majority of the time. as for the river, you must call nate. i see that you folded but no good. you must call this one.

[fearme]

elysium, i dont see how u can say he should never raise here, free showdown?? but i dunno if i want to argue with a guy who gave me advice when i was a newbie

[jayheaps]

in terms of a turn raise, the question is what types of hands is the villian willing to fold. Would he fold QQ here? It seems like that is the only hand you could realistics bet him off of. (maybe AJ too)

Other hands like AK, KQ, i dont see him folding in this type of game.

[Turning Stone Pro]

Hi Andy:

Raising this turn is extraordinarily dangerous, IMO. You have someone who has shown significant strength PF. The check on the flop smells. My experience from a few weeks ago in the Bellag. 80-160 leads me to believe that villian has a monster.

For example, let's say I (personally) 4 bet pre-flop and checked when a K and two rags come on the flop. The only hand I would EVER, EVER check with here is AA, KK, or perhaps AK. If I had anything else, I would be betting to represent that I have AA, KK, or AK, to knock out everything up to QQ.

Simplistic reasoning? Perhaps. However, Nate missed his flop and now has something on the turn -- this doesnt look like villian's plan of letting Nate 'catch up' came together?

I can see the argument for calling the turn and paying off the river, but I can't see firing into what appears to me to be a very good hand, in all liklihood.

TSP

[DpR]

All legit points - but you are not a LAG - 'especially pre-flop' as Nate suggests.