One line doesn't fit all...

[scrub]

Evan played this hand against me in Vegas, and I think it illustrates a weakness in a lot of online multitablers' games.

Evan is BB, I am SB. It's folded to an erratic and terrible player on the button who openlimps. He would do this with any hand he would play, which is just about any two cards. I complete, Evan raises QJs, and we both call.

The flop is 356r. I bet. Evan calls. Crappy guy calls.

The turn is a rainbow-completing Jack. I bet. Evan raises. I 3-bet. Evan folds.

Thoughts?

scrub

[johnnymac]

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What cards were you dealt?

Joe

[scrub]

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What cards were you dealt?

Joe

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Completely irrelevant.

scrub

[Joe Tall]

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Yeah, why didn't he raise the flop?

[chief444]

I think calling the first turn bet is an option to consider for Evan although I like the raise. I think he should call your 3-bet...since you know there are a lot of not so strong hands Evan may raise and consider folding here.

[tpir90036]

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Looks like he was trying for a free showdown and you knew he was going for it blah blah blah. Against a good aggressive player I don't like the free showdown play as much since it opens us up to getting outplayed. I think calling down is fine.

I am also inclined to say that he should raise the flop to get the button out.... but I think he is getting 3-bet here somewhere around 100% of the time and that board is not the best.

[Entity]

Evan used to do this a lot. I exploited it a lot when we played a HU match. I don't know how often he still does it, or if he's done it to you often enough that you can exploit it, but it's one of those he-knows-I-know-he-knows sort of things, and I don't think bad player is holding anything that's a terrible threat to your equity that you need to raise out, so I'd probably just call.

Man, that was a convoluted sentence.

Now I really want to hear why Joe Tall raises this flop.

Rob

[tpir90036]

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Now I really want to hear why Joe Tall raises this flop.

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I just reread the thread and I would like to hear more about this too. Some random thoughts:

- The button probably has some pair outs that we would not mind clearing out if possible.
- It might get us a free card...but I sersiously doubt that.
- It could set up a scrub turn fold if an A/K comes
- Raising is fun

I'm done now.

[nolanfan34]

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Now I really want to hear why Joe Tall raises this flop.

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I just reread the thread and I would like to hear more about this too. Some random thoughts:

- The button probably has some pair outs that we would not mind clearing out if possible.
- It might get us a free card...but I sersiously doubt that.
- It could set up a scrub turn fold if an A/K comes

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I think it's all of the above. Also though, given that bad players like to call, especially when it comes to peeling one off on the flop, and we know he's likely to come along, I think just calling Scrub's bet pretty much says "I have overcards".

I'd probably like a flop raise a little better though if I had an A. I'll be interested to hear Joe's thoughts as well.

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I'll be interested to hear Joe's thoughts as well.

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Bumping myself. I think this hand deserves more discussion.