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Old 06-22-2005, 01:39 PM
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The War is Over, and We Won

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I observed many examples of this myself. Take the two very different Baghdad neighborhoods of Haifa Street and Sadr City. The first is an upper-end commercial district in the heart of downtown. The second is one of Baghdad’s worst slums, on the city’s north edge.

I spent lots of time walking both neighborhoods this spring—something that would not have been possible a year earlier, when both were active war zones, where tanks poured shells into buildings on a regular basis. Today, the primary work of our soldiers in each area is rebuilding sewers, paving roads, getting buildings repaired and secured, supplying schools and hospitals, getting trash picked up, managing traffic, and encouraging honest local governance.



What the establishment media covering Iraq have utterly failed to make clear today is this central reality: With the exception of periodic flare-ups in isolated corners, our struggle in Iraq as warfare is over. Egregious acts of terror will continue—in Iraq as in many other parts of the world. But there is now no chance whatever of the U.S. losing this critical guerilla war.


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Policing and political problem-solving are mostly tasks for Iraqis, not Americans. And the Iraqis are taking them up, often with gusto. I saw much evidence that responsible Iraqis are gradually isolating the small but dangerously nihilistic minority trying to strangle their new society.

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Increasingly, the Iraqi people are taking direction of their own lives. And like all other self-ruling populations, they are more interested in improving the quality of their lives than in mindless warring. It will take some time, but Iraq has begun the process of becoming a normal country.
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Old 06-22-2005, 02:17 PM
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W is smart. We will be completely caught off guard when he announces the withdrawal of our troops, just as people were when he suddenly turned over the government.

He knows that his schedule of action should not be publicly discussed and telegraphed to the terrorists.

Just wait, and you will be surprised some day. Meanwhile, you liberals, please keep gnashing your teeth and whining. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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Old 06-22-2005, 03:25 PM
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We will be completely caught off guard when he announces the withdrawal of our troops, just as people were when he suddenly turned over the government.

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If this happens it will be the ultimate moral failing of this country. I can think of nothing worse that we could do than abandon Iraq.
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Old 06-22-2005, 03:39 PM
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We will be completely caught off guard when he announces the withdrawal of our troops, just as people were when he suddenly turned over the government.

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If this happens it will be the ultimate moral failing of this country. I can think of nothing worse that we could do than abandon Iraq.

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We are not abandoning Iraq, we are turning it over to a new democratic government (but only when they are ready to take over).

People just want to complain for political reasons. We are damned if we are in Iraq, and we are damned if we leave Iraq.
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Old 06-22-2005, 04:22 PM
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People just want to complain for political reasons. We are damned if we are in Iraq, and we are damned if we leave Iraq.

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I'm not sure if you are making an accusation or not, but I am not being disengenous in my argument. I 100% dissagree with Ted Kennedy or any other Democrat that calls for us leaving Iraq. If we were to start withdrawing troops it would be a huge moral failure on our part. That is, of course, unless Iraq is stable and strong enough to govern itself and respects human rights. Any premature pullout of American resources, financial or military, is morally wrong. I don't care which party does it.

Iraq is a challenge, and one we should be sacrificing more for. In fact, I don't think we are spedning NEARLY enough in Iraq. There are too many unemployed. If President Bush were to do as you say, and surprise us all by withdrawing troops, and the country implodes in civil war, the blood is on our hands. If President [insert most vilified Democrat here] were to do the same, and the country implodes in civil war, the blood is on our hands.

I like it when Bush says "we must stay the course." He is right. That is our charge. The fact is we need to be doing more. Iraq needs a Marshall plan, meanwhile we give tax cuts across the board. We are not living up to our moral obligation as it is. If we abondon it completely, history will judge us appropriately.
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Old 06-22-2005, 02:42 PM
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Is it safe for me put all those that said "the Iraq war is a failure" on my ignore list yet?

P.S. good find adios.
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Old 06-22-2005, 02:47 PM
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Nice, unbiased source.

Can we get out of Iraq now?

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Old 06-22-2005, 03:04 PM
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Nice, unbiased source.

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You need a sacasm on/sacasm off button for the idiots
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Old 06-22-2005, 03:19 PM
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Nice, unbiased source.

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You need a sacasm on/sacasm off button for the idiots

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Nice spelling. (hint: sacasm [sic] button is on)

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Old 06-22-2005, 03:45 PM
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oops, and twice [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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