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Old 06-20-2005, 06:01 PM
Zygote Zygote is offline
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Default Handling bets that come out of nowhere.

No reads.

I think a river raise would've worked better.


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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, SB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB
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Old 06-20-2005, 06:05 PM
Jonny Melon Jonny Melon is offline
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Default Re: Handling bets that come out of nowhere.

I like a river raise here. That stop 'n' go turn bet is often a "feeler bet" with a weaker holding like middle pair or TPWK, since you would auto-raise something like AK on the flop. Let him squeeze out a couple of BBs and raise the river.

Jon
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Old 06-20-2005, 06:27 PM
xLukex xLukex is offline
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Default Re: Handling bets that come out of nowhere.

I don't understand. What is wrong with betting the turn here?

Chances are he'll call if he's on a draw or has Qx, and raise if you're beat, so why not punish him for betting the turn?
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Old 06-20-2005, 06:28 PM
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Default Re: Handling bets that come out of nowhere.

yeah im also in for raising the turn
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Old 06-20-2005, 06:55 PM
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Default Re: Handling bets that come out of nowhere.

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I don't understand. What is wrong with betting the turn here?

Chances are he'll call if he's on a draw or has Qx, and raise if you're beat, so why not punish him for betting the turn?

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I agree.
I like waiting to raise the river on dry board. This, however, is NOT a dry board.
There are a bunch of draws that he could be betting here, and he will probably pay off a weak Q anyway.

In the cases he has a weak Q, you make the same by raising the turn or river. The times he has a draw, you make less by raising the river: he won't have a hand to call your raise when he does bet, and he will give up and check-fold some portion of the time too.

Get your raise in while he still has something to call you with.
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Old 06-20-2005, 07:05 PM
Jonny Melon Jonny Melon is offline
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You've convinced me. Raise the turn.

Jon
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Old 06-20-2005, 07:09 PM
Zygote Zygote is offline
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You've convinced me. Raise the turn.

Jon

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i agree. after considerations, raising the term seems like the undoubtable correct move.
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