AK... too strong!?

Psyonic · #1 06-19-2005, 08:28 PM

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (14.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.25 BB

Redd · #2 06-19-2005, 08:39 PM

Yeah. I'd go into calldown mode after he leads the turn.

aK13 · #3 06-19-2005, 08:43 PM

I'm not capping the flop. You're splitting at best. I doubt JJ will 3-bet you.

Redd · #4 06-19-2005, 08:51 PM

The fact that BB is on a blind defense here makes me think he might get a little more aggressive with less hand. If he was on a monster, wouldn't he be c/ring the turn a good amount of the time here instead of 3-betting?

Stuey · #5 06-19-2005, 08:44 PM

I like just calling the flop bet. It might be ok to raise but I really don't like capping. If I did raise I would just call when he 3 bets.

He leads out again on the turn, he has convinced me he has something. And since it was capped preflop that should be trips or we are tied, so putting more money in the pot than I have to does not seem right. Unless you had a read on him that would make you think otherwise.

I just call his turn bet.

I call the river bet also, if he checks the river to me I don't bet the river. I just want to showdown incase we are tied. Good chance he is ahead though.

But villian will show ATo and piss us all off I fear. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Fantam · #6 06-19-2005, 08:52 PM

I dont think that you needed to cap PF.

On the flop you could easily be behind to AA,KK or QQ. But then you could be ahead of JJ or TT, or chopping with AK.

I think your best line is to call down from the flop. That saves you bets if you are behind.

And I think that if you had been ahead of BB, that he would probably have folded to a raise earlier in the hand. Either on the flop or the turn.

Calling down was probably the least expensive way to get to a showdown, and also the least likely way to scare your opponent off if you had the best hand.

Redd · #7 06-19-2005, 08:56 PM

Yeah, I was using the blind steal situation to justify not using wa/wb here too. But I think you're probably right Fantam.

istewart · #8 06-19-2005, 08:56 PM

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I dont think that you needed to cap PF.

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I disagree, especially considering BB's restealing range here.

Kumubou · #9 06-19-2005, 09:05 PM

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On the flop you could easily be behind to AA,KK or QQ. But then you could be ahead of JJ or TT, or chopping with AK.

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I seriously doubt JJ/TT would go full-throttle on a board with two overcards.

I think this is a WA/WB situtation (as JJ-TT are drawing thin, AA-QQ have you pwned, and AK is chopping -- what about AQs or KQs? Doesn't really change anything either way), and as such I just call down unless something weird happens.

Once you raise and get popped again, is it really worth it to take this to showdown? It'll be 2 more BB for a 11BB pot; so you need to be good more than one in 6 times. Buh. The problem is the most likely 3-betting hand that you aren't dead meat against is one you are chopping with, which hurts your equity. So you are either going to showdown to either get pwned (as you have no redraws against any of his holdings that beat you) or to chop. Wahoo.

An aside:

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I disagree, especially considering BB's restealing range here.

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I think that's giving the BB waaaaay too much credit. I would only widen the range against a thinking player who is position and situtation-aware; which is quite the rarity at this limit.

-K

Mathieu · #10 06-19-2005, 09:28 PM

The more I think about it, the more I like the wa/wb line in this spot. There aren't really many hands that BB could have that are neither way ahead or way behind. So I like calling down from the flop on, and bet if villain checks.

I like the pf cap against an opponent who is aggressive in blind defense since we dominate a fair amount of hands he could have. Against an unknown, it may be better to just call.