So I raised with my 77 and then

[TXTiger]

5/10 online at a non-converter supported site. Comments on all streets appreciated. I'll post some thoughts after responses. No reads except I think utg is loose preflop, but I haven't been here long.

utg limps, folded to me with 77 in CO, I raise, bb/utg call, 3 to the flop

Flop K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

utg bets, I call, bb calls

Turn 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

utg bets, I raise, bb folds, utg calls

River 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

check check utg shows K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

[mantasm]

I think you can go ahead and fold the flop. Even if he's betting some kind of draw, he has tons of outs to beat you because he probably has 6 pair outs plus his draw. You don't know what BB isn't going to do. This is a reverse implied odds situation.

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[Tk79]

I release this hand as fast as I can hit the button. On the flop there are so many ways for you to lose if you are in fact ahead and so few way to win if you are behind. You also have the BB left to act who may be sandbagging with a J.

If UTG is betting a K or a J your drawing to 2 outs and if he has a J there is still a decent redraw if you catch a miracle on the turn.

If he is betting 2 clubs and say one of them is bigger than your 7s. He has 8 club outs (7c doesnt help), 3 kings, 3 of his hole card (6 if they are both bigger than your 7s).
Thats between 14 & 17 outs. Both ways he is a favorite.

Best case scenario is that he is on a total bluff. If he has both cards that are lower than your 7s your in great shape but how often is that going to be the case.

Whatever he may have you are either slightly ahead, or way behind. Either way Im not paying 2.5BB (without your raise) to find out. I fold this 3BB pot on the flop.

[chesspain]

1. I would fold the fold...however...
2. You didn't mention whether you were holding the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. If you didn't post it because you weren't paying enough attention at the time to factor that detail into your decision, then this is a minor leak in your game.

[jjacky]

do you really think the 7 high backdoor flush draw would change the correct decission? i think not.

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do you really think the 7 high backdoor flush draw would change the correct decission? i think not.

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I read Chesspain's post and was about to reply, but you basically took the words right out of my mouth. Does the 6th-nut one-card flush on a paired board really make a big difference, Chesspain?

[Jake (The Snake)]

I don't mean to answer for chesspain, but I think his point is that if you are overlooking backdoor flushes then that is a leak. You should be able to recall whether you had that possibility on the flop.

1.5 extra outs (probably more like 1 out here) is not something you want to be routinely overlooking.

As for this specific hand... no, I don't think it would tilt the decision.

[damaniac]

I think chesspain was mentioning it not so much to say that he should call with it, but that it would be relevant information if the decision were close. Also, other reasons to call with the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (though not here) would be so if we hit our set on the turn, someone else doesn't make a flush. Instead of having like 1.5 outs, we might have 2 or 2.5, which in this case doesn't matter, but might swing a fold to a call in a bigger pot or less coordinated board.

[jjacky]

that's exactly the argument that is NOT valid. if the board wasn`t paired it would have been very important to have the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] but in this case he would make a boat with any seven! and a 7 high backdoor draw adds pretty exactly zero value to your hand.