I don't even know how to play the basics anymore

[brassnuts]

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7 BB

[SomethingClever]

Is this a turn fold against non-maniacs?

[imported_CaseClosed326]

For me it is.

[pecto]

I either fold the turn againsy non maniac, or call down, not calling and folding!!

[Grisgra]

I am embarrassed to say that I often play this the same way. The turn is the trickiest, you probably have 7 outs (I think a strong ace like AQ or AK 3-bets you pf, and KQ waits until the turn to raise, so I think all of your Ace-outs are clean) and you're getting 5:1 on the turn call. With your implied odds, plus the chance that something like JT or a random ace gives up on the turn if he misses . . . it's not a horrible horrible turn call.

So I guess we both suck.

EDIT: Against a non-nut I don't call the river unless I'm playing kind of sucky, or want to make a statement that I Will Not Be Bluffed. Only thing I crack is JTo, AT, or AJ.

[sthief09]

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I am embarrassed to say that I often play this the same way.

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I'm not embarrassed


are we check-folding a river J though?

one big reason I MIGHT fold is because there aren't that many scare cards that can come that can expose a river bet as a likely bluff. if the board was say JTxx and you had K9, the river is an A, you check and he bets, well you're against a bluff a lot of the time there as a naked J or T is checking there a lot of the time. on this board, nothing can really come to make a K check through

[Grisgra]

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are we check-folding a river J though?

one big reason I MIGHT fold is because there aren't that many scare cards that can come that can expose a river bet as a likely bluff. if the board was say JTxx and you had K9, the river is an A, you check and he bets, well you're against a bluff a lot of the time there as a naked J or T is checking there a lot of the time. on this board, nothing can really come to make a K check through

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Yeah, that's tough . . . you'd think a medium pocket pair would just check behind on the river . . . ditto JT. I probably fold if a jack hits, but I have to think about it a little more.

[pshabi]

Easy turn fold.

You aren't going to win every hand you know.

[brassnuts]

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Easy turn fold. You should quit poker.

You aren't going to win any hands you know.

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FYP

[sthief09]

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Easy turn fold.

You aren't going to win every hand you know.

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he can't ever give up a bluff on the river?