is this weak tight? (LC)

jba · #1 06-12-2005, 10:02 PM

I mean, wow. villains are passive calling stations.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, MP1 calls, 4 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks.

River: (3.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks.

Final Pot: 3.50 BB

Results:
SB has Jd Jh (two pair, jacks and fives).
Hero has Ac Jc (one pair, fives).
MP1 has 8h Js (one pair, fives).
Outcome: SB wins 3.50 BB.

man · #2 06-12-2005, 10:09 PM

haha, holy balls. have you ever seen SB bet?

and unless I'd seen SB pull something like this before, I bet the flop and turn, and check the river.

PhatPots · #3 06-12-2005, 11:37 PM

You should have bet that flop. If one of them is eliminated on the flop, then bet the turn. Other wise I hope for a free card.

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SmileyEH · #4 06-12-2005, 11:46 PM

Not betting that flop is a big leak.

-SmileyEH

jba · #5 06-13-2005, 12:18 AM

ok if it's a mistake I don't see how it's a **big** one it's not like I'm losing a lot of $$$ here.. you might be confusing the fact that you think it is routine with you thinking it is important.

i'm in pretty bad shape in this hand almost all the time

what are we hoping to accomplish with a flop bet?

i know I didn't include reads but it's sort of obvious by their action no??

SmileyEH · #6 06-13-2005, 12:21 AM

You are betting 1SB to win 7SB. You win this pot uncontested probably 1 in 5 times. Saying you muck your hand as soon as someone calls, you've already made 2/7SB without cards. Consider the fact that you improve your chances to see the river for free, and this is an extremely profitable play.

If you don't think this is a big mistake especially at 2/4, then you have a lot of room for improvement.

-SmileyEH

jba · #7 06-13-2005, 12:32 AM

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You are betting 1SB to win 7SB. You win this pot uncontested probably 1 in 5 times. Saying you muck your hand as soon as someone calls, you've already made 2/7SB without cards. Consider the fact that you improve your chances to see the river for free, and this is an extremely profitable play.

If you don't think this is a big mistake especially at 2/4, then you have a lot of room for improvement.

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winning 1/5 uncontested is not probable, MP has overs, pair, flush draw, straight or gutshot draw pretty much all the time and he's calling with all of those .. sb is not folding for 1 with this many pots after calling a raise often enough either. dont think we have a huge amount of fold equity here.

dude I'm not saying it's not wrong i'm saying it's not THAT wrong. my hand is so marginal here there is not much EV difference either way. as far as total $$$ is concerned you understand?

and your condescending tone is just bizzaro world dude what is up with that??

i just thought it was funny this guy checked down an overpair and thought I'd share and you get all alpha dog, it's all good bro!

SmileyEH · #8 06-13-2005, 12:36 AM

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You are betting 1SB to win 7SB. You win this pot uncontested probably 1 in 5 times. Saying you muck your hand as soon as someone calls, you've already made 2/7SB without cards. Consider the fact that you improve your chances to see the river for free, and this is an extremely profitable play.

If you don't think this is a big mistake especially at 2/4, then you have a lot of room for improvement.

-SmileyEH

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winning 1/5 uncontested is not probable, MP has overs, pair, flush draw, straight or gutshot draw pretty much all the time and he's calling with all of those .. sb is not folding for 1 with this many pots after calling a raise often enough either. dont think we have a huge amount of fold equity here.

dude I'm not saying it's not wrong i'm saying it's not THAT wrong. my hand is so marginal here there is not much EV difference either way. as far as total $$$ is concerned you understand?

and your condescending tone is just bizzaro world dude what is up with that??

i just thought it was funny this guy checked down an overpair and thought I'd share and you get all alpha dog, it's all good bro!

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This wasn't meant to be condescending - see mid/high stakes for that.

-SmileyEH

damaniac · #9 06-13-2005, 12:37 AM

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winning 1/5 uncontested is not probable, MP has overs, pair, flush draw, straight or gutshot draw pretty much all the time and he's calling with all of those

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What are you basing that on exactly?

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.. sb is not folding for 1 with this many pots after calling a raise often enough either.

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If small blind doesn't fold any cards, then its means he is often calling with hands that are behind yours. So it's a value bet.

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dont think we have a huge amount of fold equity here.

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Um as the pfr on a raggedy board, you'll take this down a lot of the time, AND that doesn't include those times you improve, or those times you get checked to on the turn and get a free card (or bet again, depending on the board/players)

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dude I'm not saying it's not wrong i'm saying it's not THAT wrong. my hand is so marginal here there is not much EV difference either way. as far as total $$$ is concerned you understand?

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I'm curious, is betting overcards after raising in a shorthanded pot something you just don't do, or is this an isolated incident?

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i just thought it was funny this guy checked down an overpair and thought I'd share and you get all alpha dog, it's all good bro!

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Thanks for cleaning up the forums

J. Sawyer · #10 06-13-2005, 10:52 AM

if 1 folds on the flop the pot equity that gives you makes it worth the bet. Plus who's saying you dont have the best hand at the moment. Coupled with 6 outs + backdoor. Its an easy bet if theres a chance only 1 guy will fold coupled w/ the chance it might get you a free showdown.

This is very standard and is a relatively large leak.