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#2
06-11-2005, 01:37 AM
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Re: Can you play Kxs like a small pair?
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This is...play it for cheap and if you don't nail it on the flop (two pair, flush, 4-flush)...dump it? Or, from your experience, is it just too unprofitable? [/ QUOTE ] No. For the most part, this hand is crap and should be mucked. Obviously, there are situations where you can play it profitably, but those situations generally do NOT include limping with it and trying to hit a huge flop. It's in the upper-echelon of "any-two". Treat it that way. Pep. 
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#3
06-11-2005, 09:26 AM
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Re: Can you play Kxs like a small pair?
I agree with pepsquad, but I would say it differently. Both small pairs and suited Kx are medium hands. Since you don't play 50% of your hands (I hope), you normally fold them unless this is one of those rare situations in which you want to play a weak hand.
However, it's important to mix up your play, so occasionally playing a small pair and hoping for a match on the board can be good poker. If you do it right, and seldom enough, you can make enough money when you hit to pay for all the lost bets when you fold. You give your opponents something to think about, both because you occasionally win with a hand from nowhere, and because you see more flops and fold. What makes this play work is there are two cards that could appear on the flop and give you a very strong hand, and they're cards that probably won't help your opponents. You'll only get one of these cards one time in 8.5 (and both of them only one time in 408), but if you do you are in a good position to win a large pot. Suited Kx has lots of cards that can help it, three K's, three x's, 11 suited cards; but you need them in combination to make a really good hand. That means you're likely to get some encouragement from the flop, but not a really good hand. That means you'll either fold away opportunities (in which case you should save your preflop bet) or pay extra to see more cards (in which case you should wait for a strong hand to do this). When you get them in combination, other people notice. You have a pretty standard hand, so you won't make as much money when you make your hand. The exceptions are when you get a pair of x's on the board, or K and all small cards including x. But these require seeing the entire board to evaluate and they don't happen often enough to bet on.
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#4
06-12-2005, 01:08 PM
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Re: Can you play Kxs like a small pair?
Gah.
I'm assuming Small Stakes Limit HE. I don't know OP's experience level, but if he's asking this question, I'm guessing he's sitting with me at 2/4 or lower. If the OP wants NL or mid/high stakes advice, I'm the wrong guy to give it. [ QUOTE ] I agree with pepsquad, but I would say it differently. Both small pairs and suited Kx are medium hands. Since you don't play 50% of your hands (I hope), you normally fold them unless this is one of those rare situations in which you want to play a weak hand. [/ QUOTE ] Your post seems to equate K8s-K2s and small pairs (let's say 66-22). Please don't do that. KXs and small pairs aren't both "medium" hands. K8s and below is easily-dominated junk which you should play from the blinds and maybe the button if you have a lot of limpers and play well post-flop. KXs will often make a second-best hand that's tough to get away from. OTOH, the implied odds in a good SS game are such that you can call from MP on (with limpers) or even raise (*if you're first in*) from LP. If your table is really good and loose, you can even limp these little pairs from EP. If you miss your set, these hands are cheap and easy to dump. If you're playing KXs and small pairs with similar frequency in a limit SSHE game, you're making a big, big, big mistake.
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#5
06-12-2005, 05:50 PM
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Re: Can you play Kxs like a small pair?
Actually, I think we agree. I said Kx and small pairs are medium hands in the sense of developing into the best hand about the same percentage of the time. But they play very differently. Small pairs have only two cards that help them, but either one gives you a good hand without looking dangerous. So you either improve quickly or fold. Suited Kx has lots of cards that help it, but you need more than one of them to make a hand. So you need to pay a lot to see the board, and if you get something, people are likely to suspect it.
Each hand has a minor place in your play, but they are different places. You can't play one like the other.
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#8
06-11-2005, 03:01 PM
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Re: Can you play Kxs like a small pair?
Hmm, interesting question.
I play this if I'm in a loose mood. I choose my times to play this, and usually just make it 2 or 3 bets to go. That alone will get a few players out which gives you a better chance. Most of the time I win with this hand, but its very important to know when to fold it! If you have no business in the pot, get the hell out.
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#9
06-11-2005, 05:36 PM
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Re: Can you play Kxs like a small pair?
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I choose my times to play this, and usually just make it 2 or 3 bets to go. That alone will get a few players out which gives you a better chance. [/ QUOTE ] This is horrible advice. You raise with Kxs? Why do you want to push players out preflop with this hand?
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