Where to play 2/4 limit? Party, Absolute or UB?

Beck · #1 06-09-2005, 03:24 PM

As of now, I've played about 20.000 hands of 2/4, about half at Pokerroom clearing ther bonuses and then some some at crypto and Empire. Being the bad player that I am,I'm still in the red with about 65BB, but that's about to change (I hope...)

Anyway, once I'm done with the PR bonus, where should I start playing next?

My average rake have been $0.9 pr hand, and it seems approximately 50% of all hands are raked?

All assuming full tables:
At Empire I get 25% rakeback, which would give me $2.25/100 hands or 0.56BB/100

At Absolute I get 25% rakeback, which would give me $2.5+$5(bonus)=$7.5/100 or 1.88BB/100

At Ultimate The UB points equals a 100% rakeback, which would give me $9/100 or 2.25BB/100

Do the bad players at Party really make up nearly 2BB compared to UB? Or is my math flawed omewhere, making it evidentthat Party is the place to play?
I know I can only play 3 tables at both Absolute and UB, but that still 6 tables total.

playersare · #2 06-09-2005, 03:32 PM

why wouldn't you include party and empire bonuses in your calculations as well? they have a decent amount of reload money every month as well, at least as much as UB does. and the 7x clear rate on party skins even deducted from MGR would slightly exceed 10c bonus + rakeback at $2/4 on Absolute and UB.

rake structures are about the same at all sites once you reach $20+ avg pot level, and party would definitely be the softest.

Beck · #3 06-09-2005, 04:26 PM

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why wouldn't you include party and empire bonuses in your calculations as well? they have a decent amount of reload money every month as well, at least as much as UB does. and the 7x clear rate on party skins even deducted from MGR would slightly exceed 10c bonus + rakeback at $2/4 on Absolute and UB.

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Yes, not including their reloads was a mistake. Guess it slipped by mind since they aren't (almost) unlimited as Absolutes. So far UB have seen as unlimited bonus to me too, but when playing 2/4 I guess you cut into it rather quickly after all.

lefty rosen · #4 06-10-2005, 06:31 AM

I just recently ventured back to Party 2/4 and the games are so shitty it's unbelievable. They aren't the games of 2003 or early 2004 they are tightttttttt. Yes they have weakies but never more than 2 on a table unless you want to play at midnight EST........

HesseJam · #5 06-10-2005, 07:30 AM

I will try out Pacific in the next days and post a "trip report"

I ventured back yesterday to 0.5/1.0 at Party and the games were easily beatable but table vpip was between 20% and 30%. Is that a common thing at Party now?

Womble · #6 06-10-2005, 10:44 AM

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I will try out Pacific in the next days and post a "trip report"

I ventured back yesterday to 0.5/1.0 at Party and the games were easily beatable but table vpip was between 20% and 30%. Is that a common thing at Party now?

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You can find some tables like that, but even when I play in the UK(daytime US) I could easily find 35+% tables and if I didnt i woiuld leave

imported_CaseClosed326 · #7 06-09-2005, 03:34 PM

I think it would be best to play where you can combine bonus+rakeback. UB seems to be like the best idea. I have never played there so I could not tell you anyting about it. I am currently doing the absolute bonus and I have been doing well so far. The players don't seem to be anything special. Your goal should be to pretty much clear the bonii at both sites so it won't matter where you play first.

My suggestion would be AP and/or UB and hit up party when they have bonii.

Beck · #8 06-09-2005, 04:29 PM

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I think it would be best to play where you can combine bonus+rakeback. UB seems to be like the best idea.

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unfortunately UB was the first site I joined, before I knew about rakeback - you know, back when Q4o was a powerhouse [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Any suggestions how to get them to close your account? Say you have a gambling problem, and then "give in to the urge" n a couple of months?

Arnfinn Madsen · #9 06-09-2005, 03:39 PM

I made some calculation on this (which I have lost [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]) where I concluded the best deal is at Absolute.

Beck · #10 06-09-2005, 05:04 PM

How does this look? Is percentage of raked hands at 50% correct? Browsed through the classifieds, but didn't see any rakeback offers for Pokerroom nor Paradise?

Rakeback calculations at 2/4 for 100 hands
Average rake 0.9
Rake percentage 50%

Site MGR Bonus $ RB % RB $ $ total RB % total
Abs 10 5 25% 2.5 7.5 75.00%
UB 9 9 25% 2.25 11.25 125.00%
PR 9 7 0 0 7 77.78%
Paradise 9 5 0 0 5 55.56%
Party 9 0 25% 2.25 2.25 25.00%
Party 5X 9 10 25% 0 10 111.11%
Party 7X 9 7 25% 0.5 7.5 83.33%
Party 10X 9 5 25% 1 6 66.67%