a bluff? protection bet? Not sure...

gomberg · #1 06-04-2005, 12:12 AM

First hand of my session. Felt this was a good spot to bluff, what do you think?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (8 handed) converter

MP1 ($216)
Hero ($1000)
CO ($1000)
Button ($959)
SB ($950)
BB ($1167.60)
UTG ($2062)
UTG+1 ($955)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $15. CO posts a blind of $15.
UTG raises to $40, 1 fold, MP1 calls $40, Hero (poster) calls $30, CO (poster) calls $30, Button calls $40, SB calls $35, 1 fold.

Flop: ($260) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $20, MP1 calls $20, Hero raises to $150...

NiceCatch · #2 06-04-2005, 12:17 AM

Whoa... easy there, cowboy. You realize that raise will get called by Q, possibly a flush draw (you're giving odds)... and the field is multiway too. Seems a bit donk-ish.

flawless_victory · #3 06-04-2005, 12:28 AM

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Whoa... easy there, cowboy. You realize that raise will get called by Q, possibly a flush draw (you're giving odds)... and the field is multiway too. Seems a bit donk-ish.

[/ QUOTE ]are you kidding?? hell get called by a Q?? thks for informing, im sure he was hoping AQ was gonna laydown LOLOL. do you see a Q? the only reason this could possibly be a bad spot to bluff is if there are some very tough players in the pot who will recognize what an incredibly obvious bluffing op this is and reraise/ call with no hand/draw to resteal...
BTW/ looks fine.

NiceCatch · #4 06-04-2005, 12:31 AM

Hmmm... he has players to act after him. Might not one have a Q? And the bet is half-pot-sized.

Is anyone else not the least bit suspicious of the tiny opening bet?

What I'm saying is, there are definitely better bluffing opportunities.

gomberg · #5 06-04-2005, 12:51 AM

Well, the question really is, will this bluff work more than 1/3 of the time I try it? Of course there are better bluffing opportunities - but is this a good one as well? I'm not sure... Just felt like trying it as it seemed that unless someone behind me had a Q, I was going to win this pot.

If someone just sits down at your table, are you going to mess w/ him in this spot w/ less?

NiceCatch · #6 06-04-2005, 12:55 AM

Let's look at it from the other player's points of view. You don't have QQ. You don't have 66. You don't have Q6. The best you could possibly have is a Q; so you will get called by flush draws (and obviously another Q; possibly raised by it).

Additionally, your under-raise is reasonably easy to call. And you are out of position.

I don't like this spot for a steal.

captZEEbo1 · #7 06-04-2005, 12:18 AM

this also might get called by a donk with AA (suspecting flush draw raise)

Poker879 · #8 06-04-2005, 01:03 AM

I agree this is a bad spot to bluff. It's 6 handed! Just looking at the math, each person has about an 8% chance of having that Q. Discounting yourself, that's 8*5 giving a 40% chance of someone having that Q (Actually that is incorrect math, you can't just multiply like that, but without doing the exact calculations, i'd say it's about 35%). And that's with random holdings. The fact that these people all called raises pre-flop ups their chances of having high cards, ie Qs in their hands. Not to mention flush draws that will call, and with 6 people seeing the flop, there's a chance of 66 in there. And like the previous poster, a decent overpair might call, if he doesn't know how to get away from overpairs. Bad spot

gomberg · #9 06-04-2005, 01:43 AM

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It's 6 handed!

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I agree that this would be a better spot on a rainbow board. But the 6 players I think helps the bluff, becuase no one in their right mind would throw a bluff in there w/ 6 players w/out a Q or a boat w/ action before them. It's like a giant squeeze play.

Not that it matters, but everyone folded this time [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]