Passive with a full house

rigoletto · #1 05-26-2005, 04:05 PM

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LAG calls UTG, I raise 77 in the hijack, semiloose passive (SLP calls in the BB, LAG calls.

Flop: Td Ts 5c

LAG predictably bets, I call expecting it to be HU, SLP calls - has has a hand, probably a 5.

Turn: Tc

LAG bets, I ???

...to be continued.

DpR · #2 05-26-2005, 04:10 PM

tough to not want to raise this. BB may call 2 with the 5 and you would hate to see an A on the river having not raised. Now may be your only chance. No brainer rasie to me.

johnnycakes · #3 05-26-2005, 04:35 PM

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tough to not want to raise this. BB may call 2 with the 5 and you would hate to see an A on the river having not raised. Now may be your only chance. No brainer rasie to me.

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rigoletto · #4 05-26-2005, 04:37 PM

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tough to not want to raise this. BB may call 2 with the 5 and you would hate to see an A on the river having not raised. Now may be your only chance. No brainer rasie to me.

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Just for info: BB will lay down here most of the time and LAG is capable of 3-betting lesser hands.

Klepton · #5 05-26-2005, 06:18 PM

you're going to showdown no matter what, so i raise the turn and call a 3bet, and call the river unless it's an A

rigoletto · #6 05-27-2005, 12:46 PM

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you're going to showdown no matter what, so i raise the turn and call a 3bet, and call the river unless it's an A

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Here is the problem: if I raise they will both lay down right there a lot of the time and when I get 3-bet I think I'm behind at least 30% of the time. If I just call BB will call 95% of the time on the turn AND river + LAG will often bet a worse hand then mine on the river when I just call. In addition they BB will often call a riverraise and UTG will call it some of the time. The risk is of course that I'm looking at 8-12 cards that can beat me on the river.

pokerhooker · #7 05-27-2005, 01:08 PM

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Here is the problem: if I raise they will both lay down right there a lot of the time and when I get 3-bet I think I'm behind at least 30% of the time.

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If you raise, and they both fold "a lot of the time", I don't see winning the pot right then and there as a problem. It's significantly better than them each sticking around with 6 overcards outs (and since UTG is betting on the turn, you're letting him draw to those for free).

You mention a 3-bet means you're behind "at least" 30% of the time. Is there an upper range on this? The % needs to be very very high for the raise not to be worth it if he was going to fold a non-paired hand, and call with an underpair.

DpR · #8 05-26-2005, 07:00 PM

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tough to not want to raise this. BB may call 2 with the 5 and you would hate to see an A on the river having not raised. Now may be your only chance. No brainer rasie to me.

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Just for info: BB will lay down here most of the time and LAG is capable of 3-betting lesser hands.

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I would expect a call from a 5 in the BB, but in this particular case we can only trust your judgement. As for getting three bet from LAG that is great. We are definitely not folding (even to a river A), he can't really have a PP bigger than ours unless our 'LAG' limped with 88. We might lose to quads, but I'm not gonna let that freeze me up here.

bobbyi · #9 05-26-2005, 07:26 PM

When BB calls the flop, why do you think it is more likely that he has a five than a pocket pair?

rigoletto · #10 05-27-2005, 12:50 PM

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When BB calls the flop, why do you think it is more likely that he has a five than a pocket pair?

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Good question. I was very sure on my read when I played the hand. I think he would bet the flop with any pp better than 77 and thus the read.