Big draw

twang · #1 05-26-2005, 03:03 PM

I flopped a big draw.

How's the
- flop raise?
- free card
- river raise?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

River: (6 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, CO folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

/twang

JoshuaD · #2 05-26-2005, 03:06 PM

Fold preflop, I just call the flop. Turn is good, river I cap readless.

zram21 · #3 05-26-2005, 03:10 PM

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Fold preflop, I just call the flop. Turn is good, river I cap readless.

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I think the pre-flop call is probably close, but I don't think it is bad.

shadow29 · #4 05-26-2005, 03:11 PM

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Fold preflop

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With 3 limpers and at 2/4 (being passive and blinds unlikely to raise), I think that the limp here on the button is fine.

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[R]iver I cap readless.

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I agree.

twang · #5 05-26-2005, 03:11 PM

I think K7s is about EV 0.00 according to PokerRoom stats, but I figured it was better than that with three limpers + blinds + position.

/twang

WillMagic · #6 05-26-2005, 03:12 PM

The preflop call is totally standard. 3 limpers on the button is a great situation.

I'll also add my voice to those saying cap the river.

Will

Entity · #7 05-26-2005, 04:27 PM

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Fold preflop, I just call the flop. Turn is good, river I cap readless.

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Folding preflop sucks. This is a fine time to limp.

I'd call the flop, turn, and raise the river.

Rob

Piiop · #8 05-26-2005, 04:49 PM

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Fold preflop

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You confuse me.

I this hand, you want to fold K7s preflop on the button after 3 limpers at 2/4.

In a different hand, you wanted to raise K8o out of the SB after 2 posters checked at 3/6.

I realize they're two different situations, but it seems like if you're doing one you would do the other and if you're not doing one you wouldn't do the other.

zram21 · #9 05-26-2005, 03:08 PM

Nice hand. Your flop raise is good. Your equity in the hand is conservatively about 50% on the flop. Easy raise.

You don't have an equity edge on the turn anymore so the free card is also very good.

Depending on what kind of player the SB is I would liekly cap this river, but if he is fairly passive then the call is probably fine.

Nick Royale · #10 05-26-2005, 03:16 PM

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Your flop raise is good. Your equity in the hand is conservatively about 50% on the flop. Easy raise.

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I can't agree with this. Reasons:
- you want to get bet into if you hit your draw.
- the pot is small, buying outs isn't worth much.
- you have a strong draw that wins the pot the vast majority of the time when it hits, thus you want players to extract bets from when you hit and by raising you'll be folding players since you're giving them poor odds.