QQ when 2 A flop

penisclaw · #1 05-25-2005, 04:29 AM

Got no reads on the villian, had only seen him for about 10 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG folds, Hero...?

Elbie · #2 05-25-2005, 05:02 AM

I would have raised his flop bet and slowed down (maybe even folded) if 3-bet. The "normal" play from somebody holding trip Aces here would be to checkraise either the flop or the turn.

psyduck · #3 05-25-2005, 05:12 AM

I would call flop and value-raise turn. Let him keep bluffing at you. If you raise immediately, BB might fold on this drawless board (watch out if he coldcalls 2, he might have an ace), and SB might fold as well.

Elbie · #4 05-25-2005, 05:18 AM

I think he needs to raise the flop to find out about SB and BB (they are more dangerous than the flop bettor IMO). If any of them coldcalls his raise he's in trouble.

aK13 · #5 05-25-2005, 05:30 AM

Raise.

ArturiusX · #6 05-25-2005, 05:38 AM

I favour a raise here. Waiting for the turn gives SB a cheap card.

thesharpie · #7 05-25-2005, 06:43 AM

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What card are we worried about? A king is the only one he should fold on the flop if raised against, as well as a pocket pair.

This is pretty much WA/WB in position, except he could have a flush draw which you're not folding anyway.

topspin · #8 05-25-2005, 11:38 AM

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What card are we worried about? A king is the only one he should fold on the flop if raised against, as well as a pocket pair.

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A pair of 8's is also getting incorrect odds to draw if facing two cold.

I'd go ahead and raise this flop too. BB could just be taking a shot on this flop, and there is no reason to think he'll lead the turn.

istewart · #9 05-25-2005, 12:29 PM

Only K8 is drawing to 5 outs as I can see it. I don't see why we want SB out.

topspin · #10 05-25-2005, 12:37 PM

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I'm happy to raise and have SB cold-call two also. I think there's a good value component to raising the flop.

What reason do you have to offer a cheap card here? All you've got is QQ. This isn't a hand I'm looking to slowplay on the flop.