"Just call down like a donkey" Thanks SSHE (No Content)

Nak · #1 05-25-2005, 12:28 AM

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Nak is CO with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Nak calls, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, Nak calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls, Nak calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls, Nak calls.

River: (14 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, Nak calls, SB folds, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

About ten hands later, there's a 4 with a 4-flush on board. SB starts in on me:

SB: "You gonna call down with 44 again nak?"
Nak: "Always"
SB: "Not afraid of the four-flush?"
Nak: "Never"
SB: "Just call down like a donkey"

Heh, I wasn't even in the hand. I love this game.

Nak

NateDog · #2 05-25-2005, 12:37 AM

I don't really care for the intital CC PF, so 'fold pf'.

Can I ask what chapter of SSHE tells you to call down with a baby underpair on a 4 straight/4 flush board? That one must have been forgotten in my copy.

irishpint · #3 05-25-2005, 12:42 AM

fold pf u have frickin' 44

2+2 wannabe · #4 05-25-2005, 01:48 AM

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fold pf u have frickin' 44

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this is a pretty easy call preflop with 3 people in and the blinds (UTG has to call one more but will undoubtedly do that)

irishpint · #5 05-25-2005, 02:09 AM

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fold pf u have frickin' 44

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this is a pretty easy call preflop with 3 people in and the blinds (UTG has to call one more but will undoubtedly do that)

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there is one caller, one raiser, a coldcaller and then our 'hero'. i dont like this because you dont know what is going to happen after. everyone could call. no one could call. someone could 3bet. in late position with 3 or 4 in i'll call. we're middle with a raiser and one caller. in my opinion, abort! 77 or 88 ill call. 99 and up ill 3bet. I dunno about 44...maybe he knew something about the table/players that i didnt but i'm out of this.

Rev. Good Will · #6 05-25-2005, 12:58 PM

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fold pf u have frickin' 44

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this is a pretty easy call preflop with 3 people in and the blinds (UTG has to call one more but will undoubtedly do that)

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there is one caller, one raiser, a coldcaller and then our 'hero'. i dont like this because you dont know what is going to happen after. everyone could call. no one could call. someone could 3bet. in late position with 3 or 4 in i'll call. we're middle with a raiser and one caller. in my opinion, abort! 77 or 88 ill call. 99 and up ill 3bet. I dunno about 44...maybe he knew something about the table/players that i didnt but i'm out of this.

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two words -> implied odds

you flop a set here and then you rake in BB's palm over fist

irishpint · #7 05-25-2005, 01:06 PM

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fold pf u have frickin' 44

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this is a pretty easy call preflop with 3 people in and the blinds (UTG has to call one more but will undoubtedly do that)

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there is one caller, one raiser, a coldcaller and then our 'hero'. i dont like this because you dont know what is going to happen after. everyone could call. no one could call. someone could 3bet. in late position with 3 or 4 in i'll call. we're middle with a raiser and one caller. in my opinion, abort! 77 or 88 ill call. 99 and up ill 3bet. I dunno about 44...maybe he knew something about the table/players that i didnt but i'm out of this.

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two words -> implied odds

you flop a set here and then you rake in BB's palm over fist

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w/ large pot no one is going anywhere and will draw to their straight/flush/larger set enough times to beat you. as it is no 4, and now we are in a tough spot but need to keep going due to the pot size.

Nak · #8 05-25-2005, 12:48 AM

Okay, here is the reference. SSHE p. 81

"Against A Raise ...
if three players have entered the pot (the raiser and at least two callers), also call with any pocket pair and QJs-T9s."

Nak

BatsShadow · #9 05-25-2005, 12:50 AM

I think Ed means two cold callers. But if the table is loose enough, I think I like your play. Not too sure about the post flop call down, but I don't really know what I would do either.

Nak · #10 05-25-2005, 01:02 AM

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I think Ed means two cold callers. But if the table is loose enough, I think I like your play. Not too sure about the post flop call down, but I don't really know what I would do either.

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Really? He doesn't say that. If anything two cold-callers makes my hand weaker doesn't it?

I'm getting 18:1 for my flop call. Implied odds are probably enough to draw to trips, but I also have backdoor flush and straight draws. On the turn, I pick up a flush draw and a gutshot straight draw (plus I still have outs to trips). Yes, some of these might be dirty, but I'm getting 11:1 on my call. Here is another reference.

SSHE p. 147-148 "Adjusting to Large Pots ...

3. Continue to draw even when you suspect you might be drawing dead."

Are we all reading the same book?

Nak