First hand of PP 10+1

CWolf · #1 05-22-2005, 03:27 AM

Here's the hand. No reads, obviously.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)
Button (t800)
SB (t800)
Hero (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
6 folds, CO raises to t45, 1 fold, SB calls t35, Hero calls t30.

Flop: (t132.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t100, CO folds, SB calls t100.

Turn: (t332.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t250, SB calls t250.

River: (t832.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB is all in (405)

Thoughts? Did I play this correctly by leading out, and should I call?

DasLeben · #2 05-22-2005, 03:30 AM

I suck when it comes to playing AQo, so I usually end up folding this preflop when OOP. Hopefully someone can give you a better answer though.

treeofwisdom7 · #3 05-22-2005, 03:33 AM

is it such a bad idea to check fold on the turn.. he has a st8 *thats what i think* maybe even QQ or KK.. but ither way is it such a bad idea to check/fold turn.. if i still had chips i would check fold..

CWolf · #4 05-22-2005, 03:42 AM

I think you're right. What could he have that would warrant a call on the flop bet? I was thinking AT, AJ at the time, but he would have led out if he had either of those hands.

I don't feel I made an error preflop or on the flop, but I played the turn incorrectly.

Thanks.

lastchance · #5 05-22-2005, 03:47 AM

If you check-fold the turn, you suck at poker. You are horribly weak-tight and are just giving away your chips. So, check-folding the turn = horrible. There's one combination of AA, KK, or QQ in the deck. They check-called the flop. There's no way you can put anyone on a hand that beats you on the turn.

Again, DO NOT CHECK-FOLD THE TURN.

I don't like AQ out of position, so I might fold preflop, though calling is reasonable.

After the flop, you lead. You should lead the turn too, with only 2x pot, I might move in.

And I think you have to call the river. It's very likely opponent has a ten, but.... one in 4 times, and he might have a missed flush instead. 1 in 4 is enough to call the river, and you've got high two-pair. I call hoping for the Ace or missed flush draw.

PS. BET THE TURN. DOING ANYTHING ELSE IS HORRIBLE.

treeofwisdom7 · #6 05-22-2005, 04:22 AM

[ QUOTE ]
If you check-fold the turn, you suck at poker. You are horribly weak-tight and are just giving away your chips. So, check-folding the turn = horrible. There's one combination of AA, KK, or QQ in the deck. They check-called the flop. There's no way you can put anyone on a hand that beats you on the turn.

Again, DO NOT CHECK-FOLD THE TURN.

I don't like AQ out of position, so I might fold preflop, though calling is reasonable.

After the flop, you lead. You should lead the turn too, with only 2x pot, I might move in.

And I think you have to call the river. It's very likely opponent has a ten, but.... one in 4 times, and he might have a missed flush instead. 1 in 4 is enough to call the river, and you've got high two-pair. I call hoping for the Ace or missed flush draw.

PS. BET THE TURN. DOING ANYTHING ELSE IS HORRIBLE.

[/ QUOTE ]

oki understand why you think im wrong .. dont check fold dont check fold dont check fold cuz he cant just have these few hands?

well guess what ither way im right and he did have us beat .. oh well guess math and logic is better than being right sometimes..

valenzuela · #7 05-22-2005, 02:42 PM

I like the way u play the hand, I call the river, Im pot comitted.

maddog2030 · #8 05-22-2005, 02:50 PM

I think the best line is to get all your money in on this pot if no one is anouncing they have the straight. Your flop bet was good in order to extract enough information and to see 1 more card before committing all your chips, without having committed too much of your stack quite yet. The nonscary turn was an absolute push in my opinion. It gave you the information you needed to put it all in the middle.

At the 10s, being on the flush or straight draw is enough for a lot of people to call and you'll be a considerable favorite with only 1 card to come. Often times you'd even see them call with a weak ace where you are unbeatable. If he has JT, so be it. I gaurentee you you'll make plenty of money with this line that once in the blue moon that he has the goods, it's just an acceptable part of variance.

But by not making him make a difficult decision on the turn, you gave yourself a difficult decision on the river.

valenzuela · #9 05-22-2005, 02:51 PM

If he had pushed the turn the idiot eould have prolly folded, he was unlucky such a tricky card came on the river.

maddog2030 · #10 05-22-2005, 03:00 PM

You'd be surprised. This is how I often play this situation and I get called by the hands I mentioned (weak aces, straight or flush draws, possibly worse). What is going through some of their minds, I don't know. Maybe an allin bet to them signifies weakness and feel obliged to call. Whatever it is, it happens.

I should've but didn't even mention this pot is already big enough to warrant pushing for. Having "the idiot" fold ain't such a bad result with a good sized pot like this.