JTs from MP

ReptileHouse · #1 05-18-2005, 02:06 PM

B&M 9 handed 3/6 game.

Reads: UTG+1 is slightly loose, MP2 is loose/passive

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, MP3 folds, CO folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (9 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

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Thoughts? I'm not really comfortable with how the hand went, but I'm unsure how to play it better. Still very much on the early side of the learning curve here. Seeing a player I'd regarded as passive betting at the pot made me nervous about the flush. I'd seen him not raise pre-flop even with AKo, so I had a hard time putting him on a hand here.

Isura · #2 05-18-2005, 02:13 PM

I would raise preflop. These 3/6 BM idiots will call 2 cold with the same hands that they would see the flop for 1 bet.
Bet the turn. YOu are ahead a majority of the time, and charge draws (KQ, a heart etc) now while you have the best of it. Probably okay to check-call the river if you get called on the turn. BUt then again, this is BM 3/6, so I can find a value bet on the river too. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Duerig · #3 05-18-2005, 02:16 PM

I think I would lead the turn here, slow down if raised. There are 3 hearts on the board, but that doesn't mean someone has a flush.

ReptileHouse · #4 05-18-2005, 02:27 PM

Would I not be giving better odds to a drawing hand by leading the turn? With the pot large, I didn't feel that I was in a position to be able to induce a fold from either player.

That said, the turn is where I am debating the most and I suspect I'm just flat out missing something obvious about why leading out is the better option.

My thought process at the time was that if I led the turn and was raised, it's much more likely that I'm already behind, and it would cost me two more BB to call down. If MP2 just calls my bet here and on the river, it's the same two BB that would be in the pot as playing check/call check/call. That is, if I'm ahead, I'd not be likely to make any more on the hand by leading and if I'm behind I'd be losing an additional BB.

Marquis · #5 05-18-2005, 02:51 PM

Leading out on the turn is much better because this is not a board you want to see checked through and give free cards on. If you get raised behind, well, think of it as protection for your hand that still may be best.

ReptileHouse · #6 05-18-2005, 03:52 PM

Thanks for the feedback, folks.

results:

UTG+1: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
MP2: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

MHIG. Well, 1/2 good, anyway.

I was confident that MP2 would bet, so I wasn't worried about giving a free card; however, in retrospect it would have been more effective to bet so MP2 could make it a 2BB cold-call for UTG+1. As played, it's too cheap for him to stay in the hand either on a draw or a made hand he was afraid would be 2nd best.

davelin · #7 05-18-2005, 04:38 PM

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I was confident that MP2 would bet, so I wasn't worried about giving a free card;

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Why, your read was that he was loose-passive. Better to bet and be sure than to risk giving a free card. Who knows, maybe he would've raised and given you more value.

davelin · #8 05-18-2005, 02:54 PM

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Would I not be giving better odds to a drawing hand by leading the turn? With the pot large, I didn't feel that I was in a position to be able to induce a fold from either player.

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So giving out infinite odds is better?

Isura · #9 05-18-2005, 03:16 PM

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Would I not be giving better odds to a drawing hand by leading the turn? With the pot large, I didn't feel that I was in a position to be able to induce a fold from either player.

That said, the turn is where I am debating the most and I suspect I'm just flat out missing something obvious about why leading out is the better option.

My thought process at the time was that if I led the turn and was raised, it's much more likely that I'm already behind, and it would cost me two more BB to call down. If MP2 just calls my bet here and on the river, it's the same two BB that would be in the pot as playing check/call check/call. That is, if I'm ahead, I'd not be likely to make any more on the hand by leading and if I'm behind I'd be losing an additional BB.

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You're also getting called by 1 pair on the turn. NOt betting the turn costs you a lot.

gopnik · #10 05-18-2005, 02:17 PM

I'd bet the turn and go from there