Gimme your critique (Grunch it)

[krishanleong]

Opponents here were pretty typical 2/4, i.e., loose and passive. Assume AGF ~1.

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (7.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

This was a hand from a student of mine. Thought you guys might like it.

Krishan

[mmbt0ne]

Calling the river is awesome for 2 reasons.

a) You will be very, very unhappy when UTG caps it with his boat. He will almost never cap with a hand you beat.
2) You're almost guaranteed an overcall by BB, which means you'll be getting the same amount in the pot that you would had you raised, BB folds, and UTG calls with his trips. Plus, you're doing it without the fear of losing 2 more bets.

[gharp]

(a) Why are we giving him credit for a boat and not just trip J's? If he had a boat he'd have had two pair (or a set) earlier and not raised it?

(um, 2) This is a good point, but might your typical calling station not just over call this again on the river? He's done nothing but call so far.

[mmbt0ne]

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(a) Why are we giving him credit for a boat and not just trip J's? If he had a boat he'd have had two pair (or a set) earlier and not raised it?

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It's not necessarily a matter of giving him credit for a boat. It's saying that given the chance that he has a boat, how can I make the most and lose the least.

This a classic fish line for flopping a big hand against a preflop raiser.

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(um, 2) This is a good point, but might your typical calling station not just over call this again on the river? He's done nothing but call so far.

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I think asking him to call 2 on a paired board with a 3-flush after a preflop raiser hasn't let up, and there's sudden aggression from another player is asking a lot. He will call occassionally, but I don't think he will do it often enough.

[SocialWelfareIV]

I think I'm raising the river. Going for overcalls is ok, but I think that when it's capped it's trip jacks a pretty good chunk of the time. With that flop, UTG would probably raise two pair or a set, since there are so many draws out there he might get BB trapped.

[milesdyson]

I wouldn't mind just completing preflop because BB is loose.

I like the flop and turn.

River call is good because if BB overcalls and we're good: +1 BB. If we lose, we don't lose any more BB. If we 3-bet and we're good: +1 BB (BB will probably fold) unless UTG caps trips or a lower jack. If we 3-bet and UTG has a boat: -2 BB.

[Nyack]

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River call is good because if BB overcalls and we're good: +1 BB. If we lose, we don't lose any more BB. If we 3-bet and we're good: +1 BB (BB will probably fold) unless UTG caps trips or a lower jack. If we 3-bet and UTG has a boat: -2 BB.

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It comes down to how often BB will call two vs. how often we're agaisnt a boat.

I think BB calls two more about 15% of the time and I think we're hardly ever up agaisnt a boat here.

Also UTG may cap 3 Jacks.

[MrWookie47]

I think you'll see a naked J often enough to 3bet that river. I'd have expected you to hear from a set or two pair on the turn. I think that's a somewhat questionable raise preflop, even SH. I'd like it better if BB might actually fold, but if he's LPP, that may not happen. I'm about 50/50 complete/raise.

Edit: OK, going for overcalls is something that I need to work on. Yeah, the call here is better since BB is likely to come along.

[deception5]

Grunching as requested....

I 3-bet the river without a very strong read.

[Nyack]

*Grunching*

I 3-bet the river, he has trips way way more often than a fullhouse. I understand that by 3-betting we may sacrifice BB's overcall but I think a typical player calls two raises often enough to be +EV.

I like the rest.