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05-13-2005, 02:06 AM
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12 Reasons Same Sex Marriage Will Ruin Society.
Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control are not natural.
Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people cannot get legally married because the world needs more children. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children. Straight marriage will be less meaningful, since Britney Spears's 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and it hasn't changed at all: women are property, Blacks can't marry Whites, and divorce is illegal. Gay marriage should be decided by the people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of minorities. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are always imposed on the entire country. That's why we only have one religion in America. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage license with a paw print. Children can never succeed without both male and female role models at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to cars or longer lifespans. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages will for gays & lesbians. Big Steve [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] 
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05-13-2005, 02:43 AM
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Re: 12 Reasons Same Sex Marriage Will Ruin Society.
he swings, he scores -
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05-13-2005, 02:53 AM
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Re: 12 Reasons Same Sex Marriage Will Ruin Society.
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Does anyone else find it amusing that when their is a liberal thread that makes pefect sense, the neo-cons ignore it until it goes away? [/ QUOTE ] Totally agree....Daddy Daddy Make it Go away!!! Big Steve [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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05-13-2005, 05:10 PM
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Re: 12 Reasons Same Sex Marriage Will Ruin Society.
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Does anyone else find it amusing that when their is a liberal thread that makes pefect sense, the neo-cons ignore it until it goes away? [/ QUOTE ] Not when it comes to global warming/energy. Then again the respectable neo-cons do tend to shut up and I'm left dealing with the trolls. As for same sex marriage, I'm all for unions but gay people can not partake in the ceremony of marriage IMO. Marriage is a religious tradition that has been around for thousands of years. You might as well call a penis a vagina and claim sexual discrimination when anyone tries to correct you. It seems blatantly obvious to me that a lot of gay people that use the term marriage and refuse to use the term union are more about trophy hunting then anything else. Big steve is excluded of course.
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05-13-2005, 05:32 PM
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Re: 12 Reasons Same Sex Marriage Will Ruin Society.
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No when it comes to global warming/energy. Then again the respectable neo-cons do tend to shut up and I'm left dealing with the trolls. [/ QUOTE ] The global warming threads are always a joke. When people argue without providing cerdible sources it is just becomes stupid. Every globla warming thread ends in a Wacki pwns neo-cons fest. [ QUOTE ] As for same sex marriage, I'm all for unions but gay people can not partake in the ceremony of marriage IMO. [/ QUOTE ] I'm confused by this. If a pastor or priest or rabbi or whatever agrees to do the ceremony, it shouldn't be allowed? Also, when gay marriage becomes legal, it will still be impossible for same-sex couples to force a religious institution to marry them. I'm confused and need some clarification on your thoughts before I continue much further. Quick thoughts: 1) Marriage is only a word and I find it absurd that people are so defensive over it. It leads one to believe... 2) Most people do not understand the complex workings of language. Language is an evolving aspect of a society that exists only as a signifier. While probably boring and complex for most, I suggest anyone with real interest (and problems) about this topic research Derrida's writings on the signified and signifiers.
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05-13-2005, 05:57 PM
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Re: 12 Reasons Same Sex Marriage Will Ruin Society.
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Quick thoughts: 1) Marriage is only a word and I find it absurd that people are so defensive over it. It leads one to believe... [/ QUOTE ] Marriage is more then a word it is a symbol. Such symbols are very important to religious people. Unless you have a lot of exposure to religious environments it will be difficult for you to understand this just as it is difficult for someone who spent their life in a library to understand why some people get in fights or carry guns to protect themselves. [ QUOTE ] If a pastor or priest or rabbi or whatever agrees to do the ceremony, it shouldn't be allowed? Also, when gay marriage becomes legal, it will still be impossible for same-sex couples to force a religious institution to marry them. I'm confused and need some clarification on your thoughts before I continue much further. [/ QUOTE ] It's a shity situation. For as long as I live I doubt I will ever refer to gay unions as marriage even though I fully support gay unions. It's simply not the same thing. If you have ever read the Bible or the Koran you will understand why such high importance is put on this symbolism. Also, as a logical thinker it's obvious to me that this a war and marriage is the ultimate trophy. Just like many homosexual organizations are trying to rage a symbolic war on the Boy Scouts. It has little to do with rights IMO. If they respected the rights of others they wouldn't fight so hard and so ruthlessly to change a private organization like the Boy Scouts. If some rabbi or priest wants to perform the ceremony then I have no problem with that. They should also have no problem when the church kicks the priest out. They should also respect my right to refuse to abandon the traditional meaning of the term and my right to refuse to acknowledge their claim of marriage. Otherwise I might as well force them to acknowledge my leg is really an arm and my penis is really a vagina. As for the government, well that is a sticky situation. I'm starting to wonder if it's best for the government to get out of the marriage business altogether.
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05-13-2005, 06:06 PM
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Re: 12 Reasons Same Sex Marriage Will Ruin Society.
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Marriage is more then a word it is a symbol. Such symbols are very important to religious people. [/ QUOTE ] Seems to me like that's the problem of the religious people. But religious people don't own marriage. They never have, never should and never will. If they did, which religion owns it and gets to make the rules? This line of reasoning is just so ridiculous. [ QUOTE ] Also, as a logical thinker it's obvious to me that this a war and marriage is the ultimate trophy. Just like many homosexual organizations are trying to rage a symbolic war on the Boy Scouts. It has little to do with rights IMO. [/ QUOTE ] If there was a great scout leader and he was gay... its just the discrimination of bigots that would make him have to quit.
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05-13-2005, 06:17 PM
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Re: 12 Reasons Same Sex Marriage Will Ruin Society.
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Such symbols are very important to religious people. Unless you have a lot of exposure to religious environments it will be difficult for you to understand this [/ QUOTE ] Baptised catholic, attended catholic school, go to a Caholic University that requires three theology courses such a "Christian Marriage." [ QUOTE ] Marriage is more then a word it is a symbol. [/ QUOTE ] A symbol of what and to whom? If two men are allowed to refer to themselves as "married" what effect does that have on a specific religion? More importantly, the government does not have to look out for religions, its job is to look out for the rights of its citizens. [ QUOTE ] For as long as I live I doubt I will ever refer to gay unions as marriage even though I fully support gay unions. [/ QUOTE ] Even in 20 years after it has been legal for 10? That seems petty to be honest. [ QUOTE ] Just like many homosexual organizations are trying to rage a symbolic war on the Boy Scouts. It has little to do with rights IMO. If they respected the rights of others they wouldn't fight so hard and so ruthlessly to change a private organization like the Boy Scouts. [/ QUOTE ] This is a whole different topic, perhaps new thread? If the Boy Scouts didn't use tax free land then they could do whatever they wanted. [ QUOTE ] They should also respect my right to refuse to abandon the traditional meaning of the term and my right to refuse to acknowledge their claim of marriage. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. While to me it seems silly, you have every right to believe and acknowledge what you choose. However, the govt does not and this is the only aspect I care about. [ QUOTE ] As for the government, well that is a sticky situation. I'm starting to wonder if it's best for the government to get out of the marriage business altogether. [/ QUOTE ] There are probably lots of things the govt should keep its paws off, however this is the hand that we have been dealt. In order to provide equality and respect to its citizens, gay marriage will become legalized in the future.
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