Is the pot too small for a play like this or is this just standard?

PuckNPoker · #1 05-13-2005, 01:27 AM

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, BB folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

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thesharpie · #2 05-13-2005, 01:31 AM

Fold is standard.

cmwck · #3 05-13-2005, 01:33 AM

yes. you don't even had odds to call a bet, let alone raise.

Jacob_Gilliam · #4 05-13-2005, 01:34 AM

Standard raise. Bet out on the turn if a blank hits and fold if you get raised. Check/call-fold the river depending on the situation (call more than fold).

scotty34 · #5 05-13-2005, 01:38 AM

4-handed with mid pair mid kicker and drawing to at most 5 outs with no backdoor draws, I think I would fold this. Even if you are ahead, there are so many turn and river cards that could beat you. It's just not worth it.

SoftcoreRevolt · #6 05-13-2005, 01:40 AM

I like it, villain is very likely to be trying to pick up the pot versus too many opponents.

Jacob_Gilliam · #7 05-13-2005, 01:44 AM

That's my thinking. You don't need perfect "odds" in this situation. There's a decent chance that you have best hand, and the raise accomplished what you wanted. Just hope you can pick this one up on the turn. By the way, if you raise on the flop here, do not check the turn, your just going to get bet into again. May as well give him a chance to fold.

PuckNPoker · #8 05-13-2005, 01:52 AM

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That's my thinking. You don't need perfect "odds" in this situation. There's a decent chance that you have best hand, and the raise accomplished what you wanted. Just hope you can pick this one up on the turn. By the way, if you raise on the flop here, do not check the turn, your just going to get bet into again. May as well give him a chance to fold.

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Turn: (4 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

Jacob_Gilliam · #9 05-13-2005, 01:57 AM

Ummm, your in trouble....
check/fold river.

PuckNPoker · #10 05-13-2005, 02:40 AM

I really dont want to get sidetracked on the turn, I just posted the turn for your benefit. I was more curious about the flop.

I realized my mistake in posting the hand was not including reads. Villian is 88% VPIP, agression factor of .8 and 0% pfr over 100 or so hands. The others on the flop were 50% vpip low agression factor (under 1) with pfr 5% for one and 6% for the other (raising most of the hands im scared of here). So I thought it was me up against essentially a random hand versus a player who goes to far with his hand. Put another way, I was "pretty" sure I had the best hand at the moment and wanted to clear up outs. That was my thinking, but I think the pot size wasnt big enough to warrant the play. Against a reasonable range of hands, I am ahead on the flop I thought.

I added my thoughts, not to seek confirmation. I really want to see the played critiqued. My biggest mistake (imho) was not taking a few extra seconds and considering the pot size vs my action here. I think the action itself is "marginal" (could go either way). But I am enjoying the critique and thought process being laid out by everyone.