K8s MP overlimp

rigoletto · #1 05-12-2005, 11:53 PM

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I've been running over the table, but only showed down good hands. UTG+2 and MP1 are loose, passive and weak, CO is unknown. Preflop is obviously debatable, but postflop...?

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, CO raises, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets...

Klepton · #2 05-13-2005, 12:00 AM

why not raise PF and idolate the two weak limpers?

rigoletto · #3 05-13-2005, 12:02 AM

Did you mean idolize?

shmahappens · #4 05-13-2005, 12:08 AM

If he is an unknown then he probably doesn't know you've been showing very good hands?
However this defenitley doesn't seem like a board where he'd wait till the turn to raise an overpair, and most players aren't going to raise a mid-pp pf with that many limpers. I think if he raises you here it's a frustrated bluff, do you think you could threebet (assuming all others fold)?

I realize you're a very good player, and I almost hate to post this as it seems like a chip spewing play from a player whose last attempt at a tricky play got flamed on here...
Personally from the range of hands I'd put him on here at the turn, if he raises you can push him off the better hand. But maybe I'm a lagtard :-D

rigoletto · #5 05-13-2005, 10:17 AM

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I realize you're a very good player

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Hmm... that realization hasn't come to me yet!

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If he is an unknown then he probably doesn't know you've been showing very good hands?

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He was unknown in the sense that I hadn't seen him play many hands. He was there to see my play for the last 4 orbits. I assumed him a tight decent player.

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However this defenitley doesn't seem like a board where he'd wait till the turn to raise an overpair, and most players aren't going to raise a mid-pp pf with that many limpers. I think if he raises you here it's a frustrated bluff, do you think you could threebet (assuming all others fold)?

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Good observation. I was thinking the exact same at the time and it seems that my immidiate table image would make this a viable play.

1800GAMBLER · #6 05-13-2005, 07:49 AM

Gag. Preflop is awful, game is too aggressive to leave any players behind with this hand.

Betting out on the flop will clean up some outs but the math is long to see if it's really that worthwhile, at first glance i'd imagine it is worthwhile.

On the turn it's a pointless beat with bad equity.

rigoletto · #7 05-13-2005, 11:08 AM

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On the turn it's a pointless beat with bad equity.

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I believe fold equity alone makes it a bet and the 4 on the turn is a perfect card for me!

1800GAMBLER · #8 05-13-2005, 12:26 PM

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On the turn it's a pointless beat with bad equity.

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I believe fold equity alone makes it a bet and the 4 on the turn is a perfect card for me!

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CO will rarely ever fold.

rigoletto · #9 05-13-2005, 02:29 PM

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CO will rarely ever fold.

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Think about it from CO's perspective!

hogger · #10 05-13-2005, 02:41 PM

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CO will rarely ever fold.

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Think about it from CO's perspective!

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Yes you are right he should fold but they almost never do is the problem!