Sweating a Friend, he makes this fold. Opinions?

SoBeDude · #1 05-11-2005, 12:02 PM

Yesterday afternoon in the $55 R/A Table is 5 handed and its bubble time. 10 players left, final 9 get paid.

converter seems to not be working, so I have to do this one manually.

>PokerStars Game #1673666395: Tournament #7712336, Hold'em No Limit - Level
>XVI (4000/8000) - 2005/05/10 - 19:28:26 (ET)
>Table '7712336 7' Seat #1 is the button
>Seat 1: willywonk (51956 in chips)
>Seat 4: Hero (143550 in chips)
>Seat 6: kalkiyali (129220 in chips)
>Seat 7: azone45 (100050 in chips)
>Seat 8: PSUROCKETS (59224 in chips)
>willywonk: posts the ante 400
>Hero: posts the ante 400
>kalkiyali: posts the ante 400
>azone45: posts the ante 400
>PSUROCKETS: posts the ante 400
>Hero: posts small blind 4000
>kalkiyali: posts big blind 8000
>*** HOLE CARDS ***
>Dealt to Hero [Ts Th]
>azone45: folds
>PSUROCKETS: folds
>willywonk: folds
>Hero: raises 16000 to 24000
>kalkiyali: raises 104820 to 128820 and is all-in
>Hero: folds

Villian seemed to be playing pretty tight.

5-handed against what may look like a steal from the SB, who puts their life on the line here with TT?

Personally I make this call and was annoyed with him that he folded. But I probably would have just pushed preflop and save myself the decision.

Thoughts?

-Scott

CieloAzor · #2 05-11-2005, 12:08 PM

At first glance, I liked it. The more I think about it, the more I think BB might push any pair in this manner. It's close. Hmm.

Final answer - Unless his image was pretty LAGgy at the time, I don't mind this fold.

CieloAzor · #3 05-11-2005, 12:17 PM

What sucks is that you're on the bubble and the one stack comparable to yours is the one putting you to the test. I know I'd be pushing a bunch of hands in the BB here, with emormous fold equity...but you said villain seemed pretty tight...and he certainly COULD have hero in bad shape. I don't think a fold is far wrong here, but I'd probably call and live with the results here.

I'd be happy just to see 2 overs.

locutus2002 · #4 05-11-2005, 01:03 PM

I like the fold here.

If villain is tight, I think he only pushes JJ, QQ. I think he calls and takes a flop with ALL other pairs, and ALL big drawing hands, a few speculative hands, because he has position, is on the bubble, and doesnt need to get involved with a speculative situation.

Ian J · #5 05-11-2005, 12:10 PM

His first raise is fine. He doesn't need to open push here with almost 20 BBs. However, I'm calling here. This is a real monster 5 handed when it's folded to your SB. BB is doing this with a much wider range than JJ-AA for sure. This is a call.

Drizztdj · #6 05-11-2005, 04:24 PM

Why call when you're probably coin flip and only one spot away from the cash?

Unless you can put him on 22-99, I'd fold. No sense flipping vs. two overs.

dmk · #7 05-11-2005, 04:34 PM

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Why call when you're probably coin flip and only one spot away from the cash?

Unless you can put him on 22-99, I'd fold. No sense flipping vs. two overs.

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Scenario: Its 5-handed. You're in the BB w/ A9s. It folds to the SB who raises 3BB. Whats your move? Push I would hope.

Now change your hand to 99. What do you do? 88? AT? 77? How often do you think SB is on a steal? If he's on a steal, what range of hands do you need to re-steal?

That range should be very wide, otherwise you'll get walked over. TT is ahead of all but 4 hands. Its 5-handed. You raised 1st in from the SB. Please, for the love of all things holy, call.

Pat Southern · #8 05-11-2005, 04:48 PM

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Why call when you're probably coin flip and only one spot away from the cash?

Unless you can put him on 22-99, I'd fold. No sense flipping vs. two overs.

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Scenario: Its 5-handed. You're in the BB w/ A9s. It folds to the SB who raises 3BB. Whats your move? Push I would hope.

Now change your hand to 99. What do you do? 88? AT? 77? How often do you think SB is on a steal? If he's on a steal, what range of hands do you need to re-steal?

That range should be very wide, otherwise you'll get walked over. TT is ahead of all but 4 hands. Its 5-handed. You raised 1st in from the SB. Please, for the love of all things holy, call.

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Thank god, I thought I was taking crazy pills after all the people recommended fold. Its not a matter of "flipping vs two overs." A large % of the time, its a situation where he has a pair under yours, or at least one card <10, if not both.

SoBeDude · #9 05-11-2005, 05:20 PM

Please, for the love of all things holy, call.

I have a new favorite saying!

dmk · #10 05-11-2005, 05:25 PM

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Please, for the love of all things holy, call.

I have a new favorite saying!

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I'm glad I'm not alone here...

Are people even taking into account the fact that you'd probably be among the top 2 in chips at the final table? This will make it a lot easier to run over ppl at the FT, although it appears that all these ppl advocating the fold would be the ones getting run over.