Party 2/4. Do you smoothcall this flop?

gr8vertical · #1 05-11-2005, 06:44 AM

Hadn't been at the table long. The only hand I saw villian raise was QQ the short time I was there

Input is appreciated. I'm always wondering how you go about the flop when there is 2 to a flush and you don't have the same suit but have a strong hand. Thanks
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 4 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, Button folds, BB folds.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls.

River: (9.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

jason_t · #2 05-11-2005, 06:55 AM

Preflop cold-call is bad. Raise the flop. The pot is large and there are draws.

Webster · #3 05-11-2005, 07:09 AM

I'm with jason_t . Fold preflop - cold calling with that is just silly.

Raise the flop!

trentcroad · #4 05-11-2005, 07:18 AM

Yep need to raise the flop, possible flush n straight draws, need to protect in this case.

PokerBob · #5 05-11-2005, 08:50 AM

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Hadn't been at the table long. The only hand I saw villian raise was QQ the short time I was there

Input is appreciated. I'm always wondering how you go about the flop when there is 2 to a flush and you don't have the same suit but have a strong hand. Thanks
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 4 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, Button folds, BB folds.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls.

River: (9.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

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Fold preflop.

27offsooot · #6 05-11-2005, 09:33 AM

Add another reason to raise the flop. You get three bet by AK which rules. Also, u won't lose many hands for two bets that u would for one bet. There are draws and what not as well, but I think u will get a lot more value by simply raising the flop.

Also, fold PF as everyone has pointed out.

gr8vertical · #7 05-11-2005, 09:36 AM

So never play KJ s00ted unless I'm the one comin in with a raise first? or dont raise with KJ or what [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

jason_t · #8 05-11-2005, 09:40 AM

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So never play KJ s00ted unless I'm the one comin in with a raise first? or dont raise with KJ or what [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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You can raise KJs if you're first in or after limpers. Fold to a raise unless you have position, there are bunch of people in the pot and you have the postflop skills to play top pair correctly. It's really important to be able to get away from top pair when you're behind/maximize value when you are ahead. Calling in the BB is fine too.

gr8vertical · #9 05-11-2005, 09:43 AM

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You can raise KJs if you're first in or after limpers. Fold to a raise unless you have position, there are bunch of people in the pot and you have the postflop skills to play top pair correctly. It's really important to be able to get away from top pair when you're behind/maximize value when you are ahead. Calling in the BB is fine too.

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Noted. Thanks

chief444 · #10 05-11-2005, 09:43 AM

There's a huge difference between raising yourself and cold-calling a raise from someone else.