KK hand.. two pair on board

mimih · #1 05-08-2005, 09:56 AM

Ok, I wasn't sure if I should've 3bet the flop... did I play this ok?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG+2 posts a blind of $0.5.
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 4 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (15.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls, SB 3-bets, Hero folds, MP1 calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 25.02 BB

bozlax · #2 05-08-2005, 10:31 AM

Any read on UTG+1?

Generally, I want to get as many bets in on the flop as I can with KK, unless it's a REALLY scary flop. With all these players staying in by the time it gets back to you, you have some problems:

1. You aren't going to be able to protect your hand on any street, now (with 10BB in the pot on the turn, even if you successfully C/R players behind you are getting 6.5-1 on a call);

2. You've got 4 people representing that they're not worried about TP, and you have to start considering that at least one of them has 99 or 33;

3. KK is a hand that should play well against multiple opponents, but in this case 3 of your opponents are willing to cold-call (2 having check/cold-called).

I can't decide what to do! Ok, here it is: 3-bet the flop and call UTG+1's cap. Check the turn, and when bet into and called by everyone on the turn realize that you're drawing to 2 outs and not getting the odds and bail. Then, when another 9 fails to fall on the river and the results come:

UTG+1 turns A9 for two pair
SB turns T9 for two pair
MP1 turns QQ for two pair

turn around and kick the cat.

Agthorr · #3 05-08-2005, 02:17 PM

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KK is a hand that should play well against multiple opponents, but in this case 3 of your opponents are willing to cold-call (2 having check/cold-called).

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KK plays well against a few opponents because it's often top pair. Against many opponents, it plays well when you flop a set, because you are greatly favored to win and you're getting a lot of action.

shadow29 · #4 05-08-2005, 02:27 PM

KK plays well against 0-9 opponents.

Period.

Agthorr · #5 05-08-2005, 04:12 PM

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KK plays well against 0-9 opponents.

Period.

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I don't think it plays very well when you have many opponents, no set, and your typically-passive opponents are betting aggressively on a scary board.

(e.g., where any 3 or 9 beats you)

shadow29 · #6 05-08-2005, 04:28 PM

Haha. I wasn't talking specifically about this hand, but rather I was speaking out against the notion that KK is bad to have when you have 7 opponents pf.

Also, read my earlier post in this thread re: this hand.

NateDog · #7 05-08-2005, 08:58 PM

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KK plays well against 0-9 opponents.

Period.

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Word.

Fantam · #8 05-08-2005, 11:01 AM

This looks tricky. It looks to me as though someone has at least trip 3s or maybe 99. Either way it looks as though you are behind on the flop. I think I would have called the bets on the flop as you did, but then folded on the turn.

hicherbie · #9 05-08-2005, 11:26 AM

i play it the same way you did, except i might fold it sans reads it when SB bets out.

BruinEric · #10 05-08-2005, 11:58 AM

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i play it the same way you did, except i might fold it sans reads it when SB bets out.

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I agree 100% Usually on Party when a guy who's called the entire way "wakes up" and bets into two who have previously raised, he's got something good. It may even be a single 9 or 3, but even that beats you.

So when he bets out, you're up against two who feel strongly about their hand AND you might get in the middle of a raising war. Call me W-T, but I dump it.

There are occasional exceptions on Party -- I see players bet into me with nothing because they saw me fold to a re-raise or fold a pre-flop raised hand on the flop. But this is read-dependent.