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Should I have lead out on the F hoping that a higher kicker is raising here letting me fold safely on the T UI? I'm posting results so you understand where I'm coming from here. I think that either way I saved bets on this one [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $1. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO (poster) raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls. Flop: (12.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls. Turn: (9.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, Button calls. River: (11.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls. Final Pot: 13.25 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Hero has Tc Ac (three of a kind, aces). Button has Ah Kc (three of a kind, aces). Outcome: Button wins 13.25 BB. </font> |
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Grunching
Lead the flop. By check raising the flop you blow away players who are likely to be behind and would call for one bet, but not for two. Try not to post results since it kills the discussion. |
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I only did so so that it would make sense why I'm worried about a higher kicker w/ AT -- Since the only one to raise PF folds, I have no reason otherwise to think so here -- leading out may have exposed the notoriously pre-flop-passive holder of AK/AQ/AJ.
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By leading out, you might have gotten a few calls to pad the pot and give you better odds at drawing for your ten.
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By leading out, you might have gotten a few calls to pad the pot and give you better odds at drawing for your ten. [/ QUOTE ] How does he know he's behind on the flop? Even if he does betting out isn't going to accomplish much. Edit: [ QUOTE ] If the preflop raiser was in EP you could try for the check raise. Since it was CO who raised preflop I think you should just bet out on the flop. [/ QUOTE ] I think the opposite, I would rather bet out if the PFRer was in EP hoping he'll face the field calling 2 cold. You don't want to keep people around in a large multiway pot with TPGK. |
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I think this play is definitely best -- I think I'm just crying because AK (to his detriment) never showed himself. There's no way I want this multi-way -- thinking through this if PFR'r was in EP -- I'd have to lead out, call the raise, and then call-down the whole way after the T ANYWAY... so I suppose my original question is a moot point in that either situation the results are the same -- even if CO DID raise how am I laying this down on any street (or do you begin to think AQ/AJ)?
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How does he know he's behind on the flop? Even if he does betting out isn't going to accomplish much. [/ QUOTE ] I didn't mean that he should assume that he was. But considering the PF action, there are only a couple of hands that would cold call two and beat us on the flop. Mainly AQo or AJo. Then we would have to think we're ahead and bet out. However, after looking it over, I have to agree protecting the pot is best. I'm greedy and have much to learn. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] |
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By leading out, you might have gotten a few calls to pad the pot and give you better odds at drawing for your ten. [/ QUOTE ] You don't know that you are drawing, you think have you have the best at the moment. In this big pot a flop bet doesn't protect your hand against some crappy underpairs or weak draws. Since the pfr was from LP a c/r is the best play here, to face the field with two bets cold in this big pot. |
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Why do we not want to blow the other players out?
You played it fine. |
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Lead the flop. By check raising the flop you blow away players who are likely to be behind and would call for one bet, but not for two. [/ QUOTE ] The pot is big. Your goal should be to maximize your chance of winning it. Not to build a bigger pot. [ QUOTE ] By leading out, you might have gotten a few calls to pad the pot and give you better odds at drawing for your ten. [/ QUOTE ] This is incorrect thinking. Betting to get more money in the pot so you can draw to something is not sound poker. |
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