now this is how you handle a bad beat

teamdonkey · #1 05-01-2005, 04:34 PM

Player 1 (33) and Player 2 (AKo) both hit the flop (AQ3), Player 1 makes a boat on the turn with another Q, and the third queen on the river gives Player 2 the bigger boat. Big pot, looks like your regular bad beat story.

Player1: nh
Player2: sorry, got really lucky
Player1: that's ok, you deserved it for hanging in there
Player1: nh

the guy just reloads back to full and keeps playing. who says you can't learn anything at the 25NL tables...

jjb108 · #2 05-01-2005, 04:42 PM

VN! I'm going to use that.

tripdad · #3 05-01-2005, 04:53 PM

berating them is much funner, and more profitable.

cheers!

the machine · #4 05-01-2005, 04:56 PM

id like to know how the beting went on each street to either agree or disagree with player 1

teamdonkey · #5 05-01-2005, 05:55 PM

here's the hand history... not exactly well played, just thought the conversation afterwards was interesting

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

MP1 ($28.6)
MP2 ($21.94)
Hero ($35.85)
CO ($22)
Button ($29.3)
SB ($43.7)
BB ($31.7)
UTG ($24.05)
UTG+1 ($5.4)
UTG+2 ($22.1)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
UTG raises to $0.5, 2 folds, MP1 raises to $1, MP2 calls $1, Hero calls $1, 3 folds, BB calls $0.75, UTG calls $0.50.

Flop: ($5.10) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB bets $2, UTG folds, MP1 raises to $4, MP2 folds, Hero folds, BB raises to $8, MP1 calls $4.

Turn: ($21.10) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $3, MP1 calls $3.

River: ($27.10) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks.

Final Pot: $27.10

Results below:
BB has 3s 3c (full house, queens full of threes).
MP1 has Ah Kh (full house, queens full of aces).
Outcome: MP1 wins $27.10.

RED FACE · #6 05-01-2005, 06:06 PM

Nice opportunity to make some important notes. and yeah, it is funny.

-Skeme- · #7 05-01-2005, 06:29 PM

BB played it horrible.

SeattleJake · #8 05-01-2005, 07:23 PM

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BB played it horrible.

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Agreed. The small reraise on the flop was bad enough. Then giving him 8:1 on the turn, MP1 is more than correct to call with TPTK. In fact, given the implied odds, he might have made that call even knowing BB had the boat already (10:1).

I think he needed to reraise to $13 on the flop, and bet 3/4 pot on the turn.

rikz · #9 05-01-2005, 08:38 PM

I min-reraised preflop so as not to scare villain away.

When he called preflop, and another Q fell on the turn, I micro-bet ($3) because I froze up a little. I was ready to move in if any other card besides A or Q had fallen on the turn. But when the Q fell, I figured that the Q would scare the daylights out of him unless he actually had the AQ. I didn't want to check, but I didn't want to bet the pot/push either. So, I bet $3 to see if he moved-in or called.

Villain was not tricky at all, so I figured that a call would be a pair of aces (AK), and a push would be an AQ. I didn't think a flush was likely give the action here.

So, when he called my $3 I was happy - and ready to value bet the river for $5 or so. But I just wasn't mentally prepared for that 3rd Queen to fall on the river. At that point, I knew I was beaten and I felt pretty stupid for being afraid of AQ on the previous street despite my reasoning, above (that I'd be happy to take critsism on, by the way).

I am not happy about how I played it. And I should have bet more on the reraise preflop, and then bet more on the flop than what I did - and been happy to have won if I scared him off either time.

This was obviously not my finest moment. More comments on my bad play are welcome.

Here's the hand.

It's scary that somebody here was at the table. Now you know who I am...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 Villain ($28.6)
MP2 ($21.94)
MP3 ($35.85)
CO ($22)
Button ($29.3)
SB ($43.7)
Hero ($31.7)
UTG ($24.05)
UTG+1 ($5.4)
UTG+2 ($22.1)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
UTG raises to $0.5, 2 folds, MP1 Villain raises to $1, MP2 calls $1, MP3 calls $1, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.75, UTG calls $0.50.

Flop: ($5.10) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets $2, UTG folds, Villain raises to $4, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $8, Villain calls $4.

Turn: ($21.10) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $3, Villain calls $3.

River: ($27.10) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Villain checks.

Final Pot: $27.10

Results in white below: 
Hero has 3s 3c (full house, queens full of threes).
Villain has Ah Kh (full house, queens full of aces).
Outcome: Villain wins $27.10.

teamdonkey · #10 05-01-2005, 11:11 PM

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It's scary that somebody here was at the table. Now you know who I am...

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that's just weird. so few people in my database are tight aggresive, i should start assuming they're all 2+2ers