AJo in MP1

skoal2k4 · #1 04-28-2005, 04:05 PM

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG+2 posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 (poster) checks, Hero calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: (3 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, CO folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls.

River: (7 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

thoughts?

davelin · #2 04-28-2005, 04:08 PM

Oh boy...

Raise pre-flop easy. Bet flop easy (what were you thinking here?)

thesharpie · #3 04-28-2005, 04:11 PM

I hates every street apart from the river.

skoal2k4 · #4 04-28-2005, 04:35 PM

turn raise no good to you?

thesharpie · #5 04-28-2005, 04:44 PM

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turn raise no good to you?

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It's fine since you played the way you did on previous streets..

KaiShin · #6 04-28-2005, 04:15 PM

My eyes! Ze goggles do nothing!

Can you post your reasoning on

1. Why you didn't raise PF, and

2. Why you didn't bet the flop?

skoal2k4 · #7 04-28-2005, 04:23 PM

I didn't raise PF cuz I'm a moron... solved

I didn't bet the flop because (and please correct my thinking here) .. I had a bunch of people still in and I didn't want to bet a SB having most call, thus justifying another bet for flush chasers based on pot odds on the turn if another club doesn't fall (I hope that makes sense... again, correct me if I'm wrong please!)

davelin · #8 04-28-2005, 04:26 PM

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I didn't raise PF cuz I'm a moron... solved

I didn't bet the flop because (and please correct my thinking here) .. I had a bunch of people still in and I didn't want to bet a SB having most call, thus justifying another bet for flush chasers based on pot odds on the turn if another club doesn't fall (I hope that makes sense... again, correct me if I'm wrong please!)

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Just bet, your equity is too high not to make this value bet. Nothing really is gained by keeping the pot small.

MarkL444 · #9 04-28-2005, 04:28 PM

you are giving a free card to everybody at a terrible time

KaiShin · #10 04-28-2005, 04:30 PM

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I didn't bet the flop because (and please correct my thinking here) .. I had a bunch of people still in and I didn't want to bet a SB having most call, thus justifying another bet for flush chasers based on pot odds (I hope that makes sense... again, correct me if I'm wrong please!)

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OK, that's what I thought.

If someone has a four flush on this flop, they are not leaving. They will be your companion to the river no matter what you throw at them. What you need to do is extract value from your already made hand at this point so that you can win the most when they don't hit their flush.

This looks to me like a classic case of misapplying the "waiting for the turn to protect your hand" concept. Remember, when you can't protect your hand, as you can't in this case, you MUST bet for value.