Two weird hands vs skilled 2+2'er

[Nikla]

Hand #1 50/100 6-handed

2+2'er is in the hijack, huge payoff donk in CO, SB seems average for this limit.

UTG folds
2+2'er raises
Donk calls
SB calls
Hero calls in BB with 76h

Flop Th 4h 5c

SB bets
Hero calls
2+2'er calls
Donk calls

Turn 3s

SB bets
Hero calls
2+2'er calls
Donk calls

River 9c

SB bets
Hero calls

Hand #2 50/100 6-handed

UTG folds
Hero raises with Ac Ad
CO folds
Button folds
2+2'er calls from SB
BB folds

Flop Ah 6h Tc

2+2'er checks
Hero bets
2+2'er raises
Hero calls

Turn 5h

2+2'er bets
Hero calls

River 9d

2+2'er bets
Hero raises
2+2'er 3-bets
Hero folds

Comments?

[krishanleong]

Hand 1

I like the turn call.

I can't imagine that the 2+2er will call the river bet. So you are going for a single overcall from Donk. I think you have to raise the river. Nobody will be able to put you on a hand. The donk might call 2. And by calling you miss out on the chance to go 4 bets against a set.

Hand 2

I like the plan up to the river fold. I know there are spots where when a player bets he can have a wide range of hands but when he 3-bet that narrows the range considerably. There is no way I could narrow his range to the point where he beats top set. I think an underset is about 5 times as likely as a flush. I can't imagine not being good here 1 in 9.

Krishan

[MAxx]

1) why is this weird? relative position makes it hard to get a raise in when you can get the overcalls. depending on how extreme of a payoff donk CO is, I may consider raising river.

2)Looks like an agressively played flop flush draw to me. Getting river 3bet here sucks. If you are certain that 2'er doesn't 3bet with a worse hand on river... your river decision has to be correct. If he can 3bet worse, I'd have to call.

[stripsqueez]

i hate not raising a hand that was happy to raise the flop, turn, or river on the first one - i dont care if god raised UTG+1

ultimately if the second one happens to me it goes in the messed with AA and got punished basket - seems weird to fold to the river 3 bet - if i was the other guy i might be wondering why you didnt raise your flush on the turn

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

[Nikla]

Why would you ever want to raise flop or turn in hand #1?

[ALL1N]

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Why would you ever want to raise turn in hand #1?

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The 2 biggest reasons I think are:
1. Because the board can easily deteriorate and cause you to lose action from a set/2pair.
2. Because the CO donk isn't folding anyway if he's got a 6 or a flush draw or perhaps even more hands.

Combine the 2, and you could have missed the opportunity to have it 3 ways for 4 bets, instead having it 4 ways for 1 bet.

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Why would you ever want to raise turn in hand #1?

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The 2 biggest reasons I think are:
1. Because the board can easily deteriorate and cause you to lose action from a set/2pair.
2. Because the CO donk isn't folding anyway if he's got a 6 or a flush draw or perhaps even more hands.

Combine the 2, and you could have missed the opportunity to have it 3 ways for 4 bets, instead having it 4 ways for 1 bet.

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We have a winner, buy this man a drink. Follow the Australians advice in this thread and though shalt not falter.

[ALL1N]

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We have a winner, buy this man a drink. Follow the Australians advice in this thread and though shalt not falter.

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Heh, you can make it a carlton draught, none of that ruddy xxxx cat piss you banana benders drink.

[stripsqueez]

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Why would you ever want to raise flop or turn in hand #1?

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i'm not saying its auto to raise the flop but obviously if i get money in 3 or 4 way on the flop in hand 1 i'm getting great value - even heads up is ok

as for the turn i cant do better than allin's reply (i prefer a melbourne bitter)

usually the tables i'm playing at see me do plenty of raising so i'm not going to assume i'm killing lots of action

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

[MAxx]

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i hate not raising a hand that was happy to raise the flop, turn, or river on the first one - i dont care if god raised UTG+1

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Strip-

I don't exactly understand your meaning here. Where/ When do you want to raise?