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04-26-2005, 02:48 PM
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would you do something like this?
13 players left in a $30 buy in, no rebuy tourney. No real money til the final table (114 players started). The player I was heads up with was really weak-tight preflop, and super tight postflop. I had seen him limp in early with 76 off a few hands before. After posting the bb, I have 5800 in chips left, a little less than 4x the bb.
Game #806058805 - Tournament Ocean - 600/1,200 No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2005/04/26-11:43:24.7 (CST) Table "Ocean 6" (MTT) -- Seat 9 is the button Seat 2: alpha10 (14,205 in chips) Seat 3: <font color="red">hero</font> (7,012 in chips) Seat 4: turniptruck (12,370 in chips) Seat 5: Hetrytostand (8,651 in chips) Seat 6: MailmanGus (12,655 in chips) Seat 7: dennis51 (7,825 in chips) Seat 9: bababooey2k (26,329 in chips) <font color="red">hero</font> : Ante (75) turniptruck: Ante (75) Hetrytostand: Ante (75) MailmanGus: Ante (75) dennis51: Ante (75) bababooey2k: Ante (75) alpha10 : Ante (75) alpha10 : Post Small Blind (600) <font color="red">hero</font> : Post Big Blind (1,200) Dealing... Dealt to <font color="red">hero</font> [ 6c ] Dealt to <font color="red">hero</font> [ 5d ] MailmanGus said, "nh" turniptruck: Fold Hetrytostand: Fold MailmanGus: Call (1,200) dennis51: Fold bababooey2k: Fold alpha10 : Fold <font color="red">hero</font> : Check *** FLOP *** : [ 4h 2s Ts ] <font color="red">hero</font> : Check MailmanGus: Bet (1,200) <font color="red">hero</font> : Raise (5,737) 
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#2
04-26-2005, 02:56 PM
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Re: would you do something like this?
sorry, he was fairly weak-loose preflop. That's what I meant.
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#5
04-26-2005, 05:32 PM
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Re: would you do something like this?
loose-passive, soss
I'm being a bit misleading in saying he had no pair. He had about the only thing I REALLY REALLY didn't want to see flipped when he did call....A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] totally dominated and drawing to five outs. I was hoping at least I had some live cards or something. What can I say...I made a bad play. It happens.
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#6
04-26-2005, 03:20 PM
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Re: would you do something like this?
[ QUOTE ]
The player I was heads up with was really weak-tight preflop , and super tight postflop. I had seen him limp in early with 76 off a few hands before. [/ QUOTE ] Not sure what you mean by weak-tight here. Limping in EP with a horrendous holding like 76o at 600/1200 blinds? The term is "loose-passive". In any event, let's assume you have him pegged as "super tight" post flop. What made you think that the proper play was to buck your read on him and come over the top for all of your chips after he led out the flop when you checked? There is a definite flaw in your logic here. Also, your all-in gave him great odds and killed his FE - His 1200 on the flop put 4700 in the pot, add your 5700 to make the pot 10400, and its only 4500 for him to call getting 2.3/1 or so. It make sense to call with just about any hand holding a J or higher. Plus, he has you well covered so there is added incentive to call in dramatically increase his tournament equity. Finally, you only make this move if there is a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] underneath the 5 and 6 in your hand. In sum, you bluffed all of your chips into a player who had you covered and whom you had put a read on as tight after he led out the flop with 4 outs (maybe) if you get called. No, I don't do this and neither should you.
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#7
04-26-2005, 03:29 PM
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Re: would you do something like this?
agreed....it was probably a horrible play...when he bet the minimum I sniffed out that he had no pair and might lay it down to a strong move. I'll tell you what happened after I get some more responses
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#8
04-26-2005, 03:35 PM
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Re: would you do something like this?
I agree that if he's tight postflop then lead into him. If he's going to call/play back at you then you know you're beat and can easily drop on the turn (assuming he just calls) without improvement.
Check raising means that he's going to have to bet. And, for a tight postflop player, that means he has something and it's probably beter than your gutshot.
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#9
04-26-2005, 03:27 PM
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Re: would you do something like this?
it depends what you mean by the villain being "tight" postflop. do you mean he doesn't bluff or once he is played back at he gives it up?
i think open-pushing the flop is better than a c/r.
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#10
04-26-2005, 03:41 PM
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Re: would you do something like this?
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it depends what you mean by the villain being "tight" postflop. do you mean he doesn't bluff or once he is played back at he gives it up? i think open-pushing the flop is better than a c/r. [/ QUOTE ] "tight" meaning laying it down to big bets and not playing a lot of hands past the flop.
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