|
|
|
|
#1
04-26-2005, 11:29 AM
|
|||
|
|||
Likely dominated AXs in a 3 way unraised pot
No reads on any player
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG+2 posts a blind of $1. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero checks. Flop: (4.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, CO folds, Hero calls, UTG calls. Turn: (5.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero ???? My idea: check the turn and raise a bet from UTG+2 to knock out UTG and as a semi-bluff, representing a 3, to maybe push UTG+2 off a better hand if he does indeed have one. 
|
|
#2
04-26-2005, 11:36 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Likely dominated AXs in a 3 way unraised pot
check/call the turn. I don't think you need to be too worried about knocking out UTG and paying 2 bets to see this river in a smallish pot would suck.
|
|
#3
04-26-2005, 11:38 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Likely dominated AXs in a 3 way unraised pot
Why are you concerned with knocking out UTG? If he's drawing slim, I'd rather he come along. This may be weak, but I would probably check/call both turn and river unless the flush came on the river, in which case I'd lead out.
|
|
#4
04-26-2005, 11:38 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Likely dominated AXs in a 3 way unraised pot
I'd bet the turn. You have the runner runner frush. And if I remember correctly about 3/6..UTG is not folding any ace, so I doubt a check raise will accomplish anything and you may be WAY behind considering his two smooth calls. This is where you should have reads on players.
|
|
#5
04-26-2005, 11:41 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Likely dominated AXs in a 3 way unraised pot
[ QUOTE ]
I'd bet the turn. You have the runner runner frush. And if I remember correctly about 3/6..UTG is not folding any ace, so I doubt a check raise will accomplish anything and you may be WAY behind considering his two smooth calls. This is where you should have reads on players. [/ QUOTE ] Isn't this the type of pot to draw and get to showdown UI as cheap as possible?
|
|
#6
04-26-2005, 01:17 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Likely dominated AXs in a 3 way unraised pot
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I'd bet the turn. You have the runner runner frush. And if I remember correctly about 3/6..UTG is not folding any ace, so I doubt a check raise will accomplish anything and you may be WAY behind considering his two smooth calls. This is where you should have reads on players. [/ QUOTE ] Isn't this the type of pot to draw and get to showdown UI as cheap as possible? [/ QUOTE ] That is one way to play. Here's a multitude of reasons why I bet. He picked up a draw. He has two callers who really shouldn't have a 3. A pocket pair would raise this flop. (maybe some 3/6 donk who limps in with kings "because no one folds anyway"). If he gets raised again he traps utg in for another bet, which would be cool when he hits his flush. He could very well be ahead. Most flop raisers at this level will fear his turn bet and even if he has AT he will not re-raise the turn. By betting you insure two bets go in when you could be ahead, and the river could make you much better.
|
|
#7
04-26-2005, 02:45 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Likely dominated AXs in a 3 way unraised pot
[ QUOTE ]
If he gets raised again he traps utg in for another bet, which would be cool when he hits his flush. [/ QUOTE ] I think getting raised here sucks. It just sucks a little less than if we were heads up.
|
|
#8
04-26-2005, 05:46 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Likely dominated AXs in a 3 way unraised pot
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] If he gets raised again he traps utg in for another bet, which would be cool when he hits his flush. [/ QUOTE ] I think getting raised here sucks. It just sucks a little less than if we were heads up. [/ QUOTE ] I agree, and this is where reads are important. If I was UTG2 you bet your ass you are getting raised on this turn. But I don't think you're average 3/6 dude is going to raise this turn, add the fact that you most likely have a ton of outs (any diamond any ten or higher (splitsville)) I still have to bet this. Then again, I am no authority, I limit myself to one answer in SS per month. Best, Matt
|
|
#9
04-26-2005, 11:41 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Likely dominated AXs in a 3 way unraised pot
[ QUOTE ]
My idea: check the turn and raise a bet from UTG+2 to knock out UTG and as a semi-bluff, representing a 3, to maybe push UTG+2 off a better hand if he does indeed have one. [/ QUOTE ] It would seem highly unlikely that you are going to push UTG+2 off a better hand here. A checkraise will likely push UTG out of the pot - but that's not neccessarily something that helps you. Lead the turn and collect bets from the other two players. I think you're missing out if (a) the turn gets checked through or (b) UTG+2 bets and your checkraise knocks out UTG. If you're planning on putting 2 bets in on the turn you might as well take a line with a higher probability to get those 2 bets from both players rather than just one.
|
|
#10
04-26-2005, 11:42 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Likely dominated AXs in a 3 way unraised pot
[ QUOTE ]
My idea: check the turn and raise a bet from UTG+2 to knock out UTG and as a semi-bluff, representing a 3, to maybe push UTG+2 off a better hand if he does indeed have one. [/ QUOTE ] A better hand is folding here never. I either bet out and call or more likely just check/call. The last thing I'm worried about is knocking out UTG.
|
 |
|
|
Hybrid Mode
