Your play here?

1C5 · #1 04-24-2005, 07:54 PM

Same as me or different?

How about with 55,66,77 or 88? How does that change your play here?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter

Button (t220)
SB (t2545)
BB (t1205)
Hero (t800)
MP1 (t1665)
MP2 (t790)
CO (t775)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t800 (All-In), MP1 calls t800, 5 folds.

Flop: (t1750) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t1750) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1750) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1750

Bigwig · #2 04-24-2005, 07:58 PM

Yes, my play is the same.

7 handed, however, this is the lowest pocket pair I'm doing this with UNLESS, the blinds are going up on the very next hand. In that case, I'd push with any pp.

Unarmed · #3 04-24-2005, 08:02 PM

Ship all of them.
55 you should be indifferent.

A7+, 22+, all broadway calling ranges.

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microbet · #4 04-24-2005, 08:05 PM

99 is an easy easy push here.

I would have pushed probably 66+, but after playing with Eastbay's thing for a while I think 55 is good and 44 might be good too.

curtains · #5 04-24-2005, 08:10 PM

I would push here too. Be careful pushing with 44+55 type hands. If you get called by hands that beat you, Im pretty sure it's -EV to push those.

microbet · #6 04-24-2005, 08:17 PM

Well, by intuition anyway I agree. I thought 66+, but it is pretty hard to get -$EV with Eastbay's program with 55.

curtains · #7 04-24-2005, 08:24 PM

Microbet I just wanted to check my numbers and it turns out that pushing 55 is -EV against ranges of 66+, ATs+ and AJo+ according to the program.

I've done work on my own for situations like that and it has 66 as being +ev and 55 as usually being -ev, but the 55 situation should depend on the opponents range.

microbet · #8 04-24-2005, 08:35 PM

Ok, probably not even worth another post. We are obviously talking about a real marginal decision and a fraction of a percent of $EV.

A range with PP's at 66+ for all other players is about the worst you can do for 55.

Nottom · #9 04-24-2005, 08:33 PM

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Well, by intuition anyway I agree. I thought 66+, but it is pretty hard to get -$EV with Eastbay's program with 55.

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Actually its pretty easy. Set them all to average {66+, ATs, AJo} (except the shorty who i made loose (any A, any pair, any broadway)

55 is a loser, 66-77 are in the both folding and pushing are reasonable range. 88+ is good. And this seems to sit well with my gut feel about the spot.

A lot of this comes from the fact that with a really loose range you get called by worse hands way too much. With 7 players left, ChipEV is pretty close to $EV so those bad calls make you money. (Basically, coinflips don't hurt you and in fact make you $ since you are on the good side)

Also, Eastbay program doesn't acount for overcalls which isn't a big deal on the bubble, but with 7 players is probably significant. (Much better chance of someone behind the initial caller waking up with a monster)

microbet · #10 04-24-2005, 10:01 PM

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A lot of this comes from the fact that with a really loose range you get called by worse hands way too much.

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Try setting a couple/few of them to call with 22+ instead of 66+ and 55+ will come out +$EV. I'm not sure what I will do gametime 4-tabling here. I think in practice it will be better to stick with 66+ or maybe 77+.