KK 5-10 No-Limit

Mens Rea · #1 04-23-2005, 09:23 PM

5-10 NL at the end of a very profitable session. I'm killing time waiting for a friend to finish up before I cash out.

Black KK UTG - raise to 70 - the standard table raise. Next player calls (pretty bad, has @500. Then, in late position, a tight, older player with around 2k reraises to 210.

I put the late player on AA, KK, QQ or maybe JJ - these are really the only hands I've seen him reraise with, and I've been playing with him for around 8 hours now. I've been talking about leaving for the past 15 minutes.

What's the move here?

mythrilfox · #2 04-23-2005, 10:40 PM

What is your stack size?

And have you really seen him raise a big UTG raise AND a call with QQ? I think I'd fold here.

Richie Rich · #3 04-23-2005, 11:13 PM

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What is your stack size?

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Unless he has villian covered by so much that hero seems to be bullying other players with his stack, I don't think that's relative.

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And have you really seen him raise a big UTG raise AND a call with QQ? I think I'd fold here.

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Hero said $70 was the standard raise. And obviously villian's raise would've been smaller if the second player didn't cold-call. I don't think villian necessarily has KK or better...I think there's a fair enough chance he's raising for information with QQ or even JJ. However, it would be hard to play this hand out-of-position, particularly if villian is good at reading other players' hands.

Dr. Strangelove · #4 04-23-2005, 11:53 PM

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However, it would be hard to play this hand out-of-position, particularly if villian is good at reading other players' hands.

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But if the villain is only good at reading his OWN hand...

Richie Rich · #5 04-23-2005, 11:54 PM

The power of "if" and "particularly if".

Nice avatar.

flawless_victory · #6 04-24-2005, 12:24 AM

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What is your stack size?

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Unless he has villian covered by so much that hero seems to be bullying other players with his stack, I don't think that's relative..

[/ QUOTE ]LOL. poor richie, you really have NO EFFING CLUE!!!! in this hand id probably fold...

riverboatking · #7 04-24-2005, 01:31 AM

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LOL. poor richie, you really have NO EFFING CLUE!!!! in this hand id probably fold...

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talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
do you make it a practice to always lay down KK when reraised preflop?
if so please let me know when and where i can find you at the poker table.

mythrilfox · #8 04-24-2005, 01:42 AM

When faced with a solid old dude re-raising an UTG raise OTB, I think it's a fairly standard fold.

When faced with a young hotshot who thinks he's the reincarnation of stu ungar, it's an easy slowplay.

flawless_victory · #9 04-24-2005, 02:14 AM

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LOL. poor richie, you really have NO EFFING CLUE!!!! in this hand id probably fold...

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talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
do you make it a practice to always lay down KK when reraised preflop?
if so please let me know when and where i can find you at the poker table.

[/ QUOTE ]ok. this guy misunderstands very basic concepts... if you think i am weak bc of this post, good. i promise you are FAR from correct. id call in the hand, but bc i think the poster probably cant play after the flop, and this guy is very likely to have AA , i think folding is fine.

Richie Rich · #10 04-24-2005, 07:54 PM

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LOL. poor richie, you really have NO EFFING CLUE!!!!

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You don't have to agree with my reasoning, which I explained in further detail in my response to mythrilfox. But at least explain why you think I'm so far off the mark.

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in this hand id probably fold...

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Though it's a close call between calling/re-raising/folding, I don't think folding is the best choice for reasons mentioned in my response to mythrilfox.