What do you make of this 3-bet?

Garland · #1 04-23-2005, 03:29 PM

No particular read on my opponent...

What do you make of this mini 3-bet? What do you put him on?

Garland

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UTG ($200)
UTG+1 ($406.20)
MP1 ($105.80)
MP2 ($572.20)
MP3 ($1044.40)
CO ($369.70)
Garland ($392)
SB ($94.90)
BB ($265.20)

Preflop: Garland is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $4.
UTG (poster) checks, 1 fold, MP1 calls $4, 1 fold, MP3 calls $4, CO raises to $17, Garland calls $17, 2 folds, UTG folds, MP1 calls $13, MP3 calls $13.

Flop: ($78) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
MP1 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets $23, Garland raises to $66, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, CO raises to $109...

-Skeme- · #2 04-23-2005, 03:31 PM

JJ, QQ, KK & AA are the only hands I see doing this. Maybe AKd, but I doubt it.

-Skeme- · #3 04-23-2005, 04:51 PM

I think the most likely range of hands are AA, KK and JJ. I think JJ is least likely. Given the range of hands and you being ahead of 2/3 of them, I'd push it back before you call and a diamond comes and kills your action.

piratemike · #4 04-24-2005, 03:46 AM

Can you explain why JJ is less likely than AA or KK here?

kevin017 · #5 04-24-2005, 03:53 AM

someone with JJ, would possibly just check/call, but if they bet would almost certainly just call after getting reraised. They could be re-raising because they're scared of the flush draw, but with you raising like that i doubt they're thinking you're on a flush draw.

I'm thinking this is aa/kk/qq who is saying, if you call or raise me i'm check/folding. if you fold obviously i'm good. JJ's not out of the question just not as likely.

oh, and i'm pushing back in this situation.

piratemike · #6 04-24-2005, 03:58 AM

I see what you're saying, but I guess where I'm coming from if I'm holding trip jacks is that I'm assuming you're holding AA/KK/QQ. I'm not going to push too hard, but I want to keep building up this pot while I have the best of it, to see how long he'll draw to his two outer.

kevin017 · #7 04-24-2005, 04:14 AM

put it in context. if you had jj, a couple people before you called, you raised, then they called again, are you putting them on aa/kk/qq?

ThePortuguee · #8 04-24-2005, 04:41 AM

Your play here is to push. There's a reasonable chance he has a set of jacks and you're drawing to your last seven, but I think that's a chance you have to take, I can't find a fold on this board given CO's possible holdings. This line is possible (though a little fishy) with AA-QQ, even possibly AKd, and I think it's possible enough to make folding out of the question, especially barring a read. This possibility isn't a new contribution to the thread. What I think needs to be pointed out, though, that hasn't yet been pointed out, is that you called his preflop raise hoping to flop a set and get it all in against an overpair, and I think that is exactly what you need to do. I think if you can't put your stack in the middle in this situation you have to reconsider playing small pairs for raises preflop. Yes, sometimes you're going to lose your stack to Jacks, but it happens, and I think more often you're getting paid off by AA with a diamond or something similar.

Garland · #9 04-24-2005, 05:15 AM

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What I think needs to be pointed out, though, that hasn't yet been pointed out, is that you called his preflop raise hoping to flop a set and get it all in against an overpair, and I think that is exactly what you need to do. I think if you can't put your stack in the middle in this situation you have to reconsider playing small pairs for raises preflop. Yes, sometimes you're going to lose your stack to Jacks

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Yes!! This is what I'm aiming for. Of course I'm calling hoping to hit a set to go in against an overpair. And that's exactly what I did. We got it all in.

But look at how it played out...he bet about the minimum without looking like a complete idiot, which looked fishy in itself. Then when I raised him a decent amount on the flop, he proceeded to reraise me again...the minimum possible. Every player I know and don't know, if they were going with the hand, they are pushing much harder than that with AA, KK, QQ or A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. It just gave me a read that this guy is doing his darnest to not let me fold (but trying to build a pot while at it)! He literally had to have the set of JJs the way it played out, and if I encounter the same scenario and against a certain opponent I have a read on, I might actually find the fold!

When we finally did get it in on the flop...after seven bets, raises and the final call, I thought to myself "he has to have JJ". Then the case 7 flashed on the screen during the turn giving me the quad nuts to suck out.

Thanks for your thoughts,

Garland

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UTG ($200)
UTG+1 ($406.20)
MP1 ($105.80)
MP2 ($572.20)
MP3 ($1044.40)
CO ($369.70)
Garland ($392)
SB ($94.90)
BB ($265.20)

Preflop: Garland is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $4.
UTG (poster) checks, 1 fold, MP1 calls $4, 1 fold, MP3 calls $4, CO raises to $17, Garland calls $17, 2 folds, UTG folds, MP1 calls $13, MP3 calls $13.

Flop: ($78) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
MP1 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets $23, Garland raises to $66, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, CO raises to $109, Garland raises to $216, CO raises to $323, Garland raises to $375 and all-in, CO calls $352.70 and is all-in.

Turn: ($783.40) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($783.40) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $783.40

Results below:
CO has Js Jc (full house, jacks full of sevens).
Garland has 7c 7s (four of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: Garland wins $783.40.

-Skeme- · #10 04-24-2005, 05:20 AM

nh