15 30 hand (live) that troubled me

[cpitt398]

I have QQ early position and raise , the guy to my left (older gentelman just sat down) 3 bets it. I call heads up.
Flop is AK4. Not an ideal flop for me. I decided to check raise in case the 3 bettor hand an underpair. Decent line here? Old guy 3 bets I fold face up. He then turns over JJ.

I can't find a way to win this hand besides reraising which doesn't seem profitable to me. My defense to the old guy outplaying me is his play is a losing play a high percentage of the time. The only hand he can beat that he wasn't already winnning is my QQ. I cant decide if it was a great play by him or a reckless play considering the circumstances. He wasn't at the table long enough to know that I would wait for the turn if i actually had it. Mabye he figured I was trying to get away as cheaply as possible while still giving myself a chance to win the hand. But wouldn't betting out seem the more likely line for this type of play?

[SinCityGuy]

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My defense to the old guy outplaying me is his play is a losing play a high percentage of the time.

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That's right. So don't worry about it.

[DpR]

Prob, best to call the three bet and fold to the turn bet - which he probably doesn't make with JJ. In his position he is in just as crummy shape as you think you are - he certainly doesn like the AK flop, so he makes a play to convince himself that you have the AK so he can show down cheap or fold. His plan way probably to fold to your cap or check through the turn and call the river. I would play it like he did some of the time since you didnt cap preflop. Had you capped preflop you will most likely win the hand win this hand.

[Jeffage]

I would seriously consider check-folding this or bet-folding this against an unknown old man who 3-bets m. What do you do if he calls the checkraise...u'll lead and fold to a raise. So they way you played it ensures maximum loss for you if he has AK, etc.

And never fold hands like that face up. You were right to fold, but you will encourage others to take shots at you.

Jeff

[tighterr]

I would most likely check,fold.

I was wondering what people thought of a check, call. This gives the old man the impression you have hit the board and may back him off on the turn. What do people think of this?

[FoodForThought]

Didn't even think of that.....good question.

[Nate tha' Great]

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I was wondering what people thought of a check, call. This gives the old man the impression you have hit the board and may back him off on the turn. What do people think of this?

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Let's say that old dude 3-bets with JJ-AA, AK.

We're behind AK (9 combos), AA (3 combos), KK (3 combos)
We chop with QQ (1 combo)
We beat JJ (6 combos)

So we're ahead 6.5 times out of 22.

The pot is laying us roughly 8 to 1 on the flop.

If he checks behind on the turn even half the time with QQ/JJ, this will be a profitable line, especially since we'll also spike a set sometimes.

Of course, we shouldn't be in this spot to begin with.

[IlliniRyRy]

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And never fold hands like that face up. You were right to fold, but you will encourage others to take shots at you.


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SOOOO important.

[FoodForThought]

Hmmmm. I think many players will only three bet an EP raiser with AK, KK, QQ, JJ...GENERALLY. Since this guy just sat down, probably have to treat him as if he plays as such. I check and fold the flop (small pot...easily behind), or bet the flop and fold to a raise (I'm not sure what hand he will call that flop with, but fold to a CR).

[DcifrThs]

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I have QQ early position and raise , the guy to my left (older gentelman just sat down) 3 bets it. I call heads up.

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this is where your postflop problem starts.

what do you do pf with AK here? AKs? AA? KK? JJ? (we know you just call w/ QQ) TT? 99?

guess what...i cap them all (heads up after a 3bet)

and bet flops like that with impunity.

reasons:

1) you retain control of and momentum in the hand.

2) betting a flop like that w/ 99-QQ will get pairs that may try to take shots at you (i.e. JJ in this hand) to fold thinking damn, he capped preflop so he's almost gotta have a piece of that flop and is likely not foldlingt o my raise.

3) you dont give away info when you have AA/KK if those are the only hands you cap pf.

3a) i then likewise call with 88/KQs/KQ/AJ/AQ. but this is only at first. against a player i play with a lot, i'll switch it up and cap KQs & bet an A53 flop. if he calls i may bet again and i may be done with it...sometimes the guys i play a lot with are notorious peelers so you have to bet turn. but these changeups are just that and are not standard plays...

anyways, im sure this is not optimal so maybe somebody else cna chime into this preflop strategy.

-Barron