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Old 04-19-2005, 01:09 PM
kongo_totte kongo_totte is offline
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Default Leading into PFR w/ flopped sets?

Villian in this hand is 20/6.5, and flop. agg. 5 after 200 hands.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) converter

MP2 ($103)
CO ($100)
Button ($98)
Hero ($100)
BB ($33.63)
UTG ($51.29)
UTG+1 ($107.91)
MP1 ($217.07)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $1. Hero posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $5</font>, Hero (poster) calls $4.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO folds.

Flop: ($12) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Do I lead?

I generally am uncertain in situations like this. The dilemma is obvious: if he hit, I'll get more money in if I lead, if he missed, he might bet anyway, and I'll get more money if I check.

What is generally the best line? What other variables should effect my decision? Discuss.
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Old 04-19-2005, 01:13 PM
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Default Re: Leading into PFR w/ flopped sets?

This is totally player dependant. I don't really understand PTracker stats too well as I don't use them much. I'm starting to now, though. Anyways, it's good to have a note on the range of hands he raises preflop with.

I'd probably check here and depending on his bet size I'd act from there.
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Old 04-19-2005, 01:13 PM
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Default Re: Leading into PFR w/ flopped sets?

The more draws on the flop, the more you have to lead.

This is a flop he could easily have hit, and also, if he's a loose raiser and could have KJ, K10 etc, you must lead to protect your hand.

If the flop was A92, he either hit, or he didn't, and he's not going to improve, a check raise is ok, especially if he's too loose post flop and can't lay down TP.
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Old 04-19-2005, 01:18 PM
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Default Re: Leading into PFR w/ flopped sets?

Another consideration is stack sizes. My general rule is to lead into big stacks and checkraise smaller ones if I'm tyring to get alot of money in the middle.
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Old 04-19-2005, 04:04 PM
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Default Re: Leading into PFR w/ flopped sets?

"Another consideration is stack sizes. My general rule is to lead into big stacks and checkraise smaller ones if I'm tyring to get alot of money in the middle."

Is that because you want to(and can) pot commit short stack but you can't do that against a big stack as the size of your check raise would have to be massive making the only call from an overset?
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Old 04-19-2005, 06:00 PM
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Default Re: Leading into PFR w/ flopped sets?

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Is that because you want to(and can) pot commit short stack but you can't do that against a big stack as the size of your check raise would have to be massive making the only call from an overset?

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Yes.

Also, in this hand, I might overbet the pot on the flop. It depends on how play has been up to that point. If I think I seem aggressive, I want to come off as, 'You wanna steal my blinds!!?!?!?! I'll show you.'

Poker alot of times is a pissing contest between between egomaniacal, testerone raging men. I love taking advantage of this.
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Old 04-19-2005, 01:30 PM
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Default Re: Leading into PFR w/ flopped sets?

I might throw out a teaser bet - $12 pot, bet like 4 or 5, if he hit the flop with A or 2 pr, he'll raise and I'll push every time. If he has QQ or AA so be it
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Old 04-19-2005, 01:32 PM
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Default Re: Leading into PFR w/ flopped sets?

i generally don't check-raise much. i lead a lot of flops specifically so that i can lead out with my big hands like this...
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Old 04-19-2005, 01:43 PM
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Default Re: Leading into PFR w/ flopped sets?

Great point...
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Old 04-19-2005, 01:52 PM
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Default Re: Leading into PFR w/ flopped sets?

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I generally am uncertain in situations like this. The dilemma is obvious: if he hit, I'll get more money in if I lead, if he missed, he might bet anyway, and I'll get more money if I check

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You shouldnt be confused on this flop. An ace and a queen hit and if your preflop raiser wasnt hit with flop you simply arent going to win a big pot anyway....

Lead weakly and proceed from there by playing poker.
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